So who thinks TT is actually doing a good job now?

[wist43]

I am trying to take a more optimistic view...

If Favre plays next year, and TT has two solid offseasons... maybe.

After that, the post-Favre era - that's where my pessimism really kicks in... you, and everyone else for that matter, cite the Falcons and Broncos as successes - but I point to them as failures.

Denver won two SB's but they had Elway at QB; and, Atlanta's only shot at ever getting to a SB with their current system is to buy tickets.

Denver, Atlanta, and Green Bay can all be quasi-playoff teams with their current systems, but sans a HOF QB, they really have no shot to win it all.

Denver might be on the right track with Cutler though - not that he's a HOF QB, but he's got a lot of intangibles, and has a big arm.

Post-Favre era, the Packers can't play shut down defense, and given their smallish OL, and no QB to respect... looks bleak.

[retailguy]

Have there really been any teams in cap trouble over the past 2 years?

DING DING DING!!!! We have a winner.

Other than Tennessee, Washington & Oakland, things have been fairly straightforward for the past couple of years with the massive amount of new money coming into play.

Everyone credits TT for "straightening out a mess" that he inherited, however, he did it in ONE year by releasing or allowing the contracts to expire of THREE PLAYERS (Wahle, Sharper & Rivera).

Yes, massive trouble. Tennessee has been struggling for FIVE SEASONS, and have released OVER 20 PLAYERS in cost related moves, inclueding McNair, Samari Rolle, and Derrick Mason... (I'm sure I've left off a bunch of names...) One can hardly compare the "cap purge" that you had in Tennessee with the "hang nail" removal in Green Bay.

Give me a break. I'm so tired of the bullshit, uninformed opinions of IDIOTS I can hardly stand it any longer....

[red]

great, now you guys got the old geezer all riled up

i warned you guys

[MadtownPacker]

Aggressive/Power Defense - matter of opinion on which is best

Thats what I think is gonna be the best route to go also. If TT gets Moss he can then get a RB in rd 1 or 2 and spend of the picks on D.

[wist43]

Aggressive/Power Defense - matter of opinion on which is best

Thats what I think is gonna be the best route to go also. If TT gets Moss he can then get a RB in rd 1 or 2 and spend of the picks on D.

Some people actually like the "prevent defense" too... some opinion, huh???

As for Moss, he'd be $9 mil against the cap - I think (not for sure though)... besides all of the behavioral baggage.

Want no part of Moss.

[Chester Marcol]

Aggressive/Power Defense - matter of opinion on which is best

Thats what I think is gonna be the best route to go also. If TT gets Moss he can then get a RB in rd 1 or 2 and spend of the picks on D.

Some people actually like the "prevent defense" too... some opinion, huh???

As for Moss, he'd be $9 mil against the cap - I think (not for sure though)... besides all of the behavioral baggage.

Want no part of Moss.

A Moss trade would most definately include a rework in his contract. Not that he would make less, but would probably be reworked with an extension and turn salary into bonus money or better yet do like they did with Woodsen. That way if he does act up in a year or 2, no cap issue in cutting him. I say if they can work the contract to where it won't hurt us to cut him next year or 2, then let the moon set in Green Bay.

[cheesner]

Aggressive/Power Defense - matter of opinion on which is best

Thats what I think is gonna be the best route to go also. If TT gets Moss he can then get a RB in rd 1 or 2 and spend of the picks on D.

Some people actually like the "prevent defense" too... some opinion, huh???

As for Moss, he'd be $9 mil against the cap - I think (not for sure though)... besides all of the behavioral baggage.

Want no part of Moss.

A finess defensive team (Indy) won the SB and the Power/Agressive defensive team (Bears) lost.

What was your point?

Every team has a prevent defense. It is very effective when used at the right time.

Again, What is your point?

[wist43]

Peyton Manning won the SB... the finesse D did just enough to not screw it up.

The power D that Manning beat, was the only reason the Bears were even in the game - although I did not, and do not, consider them a SB team.

My point is - if you don't have a franchise QB, you better have a power D/power running game that can carry you, ala Baltimore, SD, etc...


Again, GB has set themselves up on both sides of the ball, as to be dependent on having a HOF/franchise QB under center to have a chance at a SB. I think that's a long shot.

Would the Colts have won with Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, Ben Rothliesberger, et al under center??? Of course not. Yet, all of those slugs won SB's on power teams.

[Merlin]

Peyton Manning won the SB... the finesse D did just enough to not screw it up.

The power D that Manning beat, was the only reason the Bears were even in the game - although I did not, and do not, consider them a SB team.

My point is - if you don't have a franchise QB, you better have a power D/power running game that can carry you, ala Baltimore, SD, etc...


Again, GB has set themselves up on both sides of the ball, as to be dependent on having a HOF/franchise QB under center to have a chance at a SB. I think that's a long shot.

Would the Colts have won with Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, Ben Rothliesberger, et al under center??? Of course not. Yet, all of those slugs won SB's on power teams.

The Colts could have won with Joey Harrington with all of the talent they have on the OL, TE, WR and RB. Manning got the MVP for throwing a costly INT, causing a fumble and running away from it, almost under throwing a wide open Reggie Wayne and throwing check down passes. Seems below average for an MVP if you ask me. The main reason the Colts won the Super Bowl was Sexy Rexy. Manning = Over rated. "It's like having a coach on the field" my ass. A coach would never throw deep with a safety lurking over the top. A coach would never run AWAY from a fumble. A coach wouldn't be so scared shitless that he hit his check downs before even looking down field. Face it, the Manning is not the Colts, he is part of the team. If he would have lost, I wonder who he would have blamed? He sure as hell didn't play like an MVP and he all by himself almost cost them the game.

Give the Bears D some credit, they had Manning running around like a scared little boy. He can't handle the pressure, even when it's non-existent.

[wist43]

What, did Peyton sock ya in the eye when you were a kid???

Get a grip... Indy's whole team is about building around Manning. He makes the whole show go.

Even their defense is built with him in mind, e.g. speed rush/coverage guys b/c they know they're almost always going to be ahead, and teams will have to play catch up.

He and Brady are the two best QB's in the game right now.

[Partial]

Peyton Manning won the SB... the finesse D did just enough to not screw it up.

The power D that Manning beat, was the only reason the Bears were even in the game - although I did not, and do not, consider them a SB team.

My point is - if you don't have a franchise QB, you better have a power D/power running game that can carry you, ala Baltimore, SD, etc...


Again, GB has set themselves up on both sides of the ball, as to be dependent on having a HOF/franchise QB under center to have a chance at a SB. I think that's a long shot.

Would the Colts have won with Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, Ben Rothliesberger, et al under center??? Of course not. Yet, all of those slugs won SB's on power teams.

The Colts could have won with Joey Harrington with all of the talent they have on the OL, TE, WR and RB. Manning got the MVP for throwing a costly INT, causing a fumble and running away from it, almost under throwing a wide open Reggie Wayne and throwing check down passes. Seems below average for an MVP if you ask me. The main reason the Colts won the Super Bowl was Sexy Rexy. Manning = Over rated. "It's like having a coach on the field" my ass. A coach would never throw deep with a safety lurking over the top. A coach would never run AWAY from a fumble. A coach wouldn't be so scared shitless that he hit his check downs before even looking down field. Face it, the Manning is not the Colts, he is part of the team. If he would have lost, I wonder who he would have blamed? He sure as hell didn't play like an MVP and he all by himself almost cost them the game.

Give the Bears D some credit, they had Manning running around like a scared little boy. He can't handle the pressure, even when it's non-existent.

Ok you are officially a moron. Joey Harrington could have won a super bowl with that talent. Laughable man, Ha!

[Partial]

Wist is right.

My god, Joey Harrington, I cannot get over it. I literally chuckled aloud in the comp. lab

[KYPack]

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The Colts could have won with Joey Harrington with all of the talent they have on the OL, TE, WR and RB. Manning got the MVP for throwing a costly INT, causing a fumble and running away from it, almost under throwing a wide open Reggie Wayne and throwing check down passes. Seems below average for an MVP if you ask me. The main reason the Colts won the Super Bowl was Sexy Rexy. Manning = Over rated. "It's like having a coach on the field" my ass. A coach would never throw deep with a safety lurking over the top. A coach would never run AWAY from a fumble. A coach wouldn't be so scared shitless that he hit his check downs before even looking down field. Face it, the Manning is not the Colts, he is part of the team. If he would have lost, I wonder who he would have blamed? He sure as hell didn't play like an MVP and he all by himself almost cost them the game.

Give the Bears D some credit, they had Manning running around like a scared little boy. He can't handle the pressure, even when it's non-existent.

Ah, No.

You did post this after the SB, & I thought it was post-game angst.

Peyton Manning played like a tough, experienced Pro QB in that game. you don't like the guy, OK. But that doesn't mean he didn't make the difference


Remember that play where he read the hot read and threw a TD pass in the SUPER BOWL!

Evidently not.

That's how it works, you get in position to play in the big game & your QB takes you home.

Peyton's play was the same as Brett's in our SB victory.

A hot read that made the team be in a position to win.

Your anti-Manning rap is total bullshit.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Manning was a part of the win. To say he's the reason they won, I don't know. Indy ran the ball very well with their finesse blocking schemes. Indy's finess, small, Tampa Cover-2 defense shut down the Bears offense. If you have the players, it doesn't matter what scheme you play.

[Charles Woodson]

[quote="HarveyWallbangers"]. Indy's finess, small, Tampa Cover-2 defense shut down the Bears offense. quote]


Wait were still talking about rex grossman right? I mean i gave all the credit to indys D but i mean we all know Rex is far from a good QB