What the FUCK!!!!

[Anti-Polar Bear]

No risk, no reward?

Arrington didn't want to play in Green Bay, period. He said that early on, but he needed a team with cap space to lure a better contract. He had zero intention of siging here. If his decision was based on Favre, then we are even better off w/o him here. Favre is done after next year, no matter what. then we are stuck with a mega-contract and mega-headache.

Owens, he would have been nice, but he already is ruffling feathers in Dallas. I don't think signing Owens would have put us over the top for SB 41.

Hutchinson, he would have been a nice signing. It would have been poetic since he was picked with the draft choice Wolf sent to SEA for Jamal Reynolds. But we don't need high-priced guards for the zone blocking scheme. Why spend big bucks when you don't have to?

Take a breath, tank, breath deep...I'm not done yet.

LeBently, I would have dropped some cash for him. The center is important in any blocking scheme and he would have been good for us. Young, healthy, etc... But if we are outbid, then we lose out. TT can't make them sign here.

The other part of the equation is, do they fit in here? Dropping big bucks on some 'big' names doesn't ensure that they will perform like they did. Arrington didn't fit the scheme and he paid Washington to leave. Peterson was a headache for SF. Woodson, he was a primadonna who forced the other coach to get canned (the wisconsin guy, before Turner-blanking on his name). Why inherit their problem?

but seriously......Mike Sherman?

and don't even try to say things were good with Sherman. How many trophys did he produce? I think he picked one pro-bowl player in his drafts. You are going to defend the guy that gave Cletidus his meal-ticket, Johnson his ganga, BJ a 300G sideline job. Trading UP to the third-round for a PUNTER!!! The man who gave us Bhwo Jue, Robert Ferguson OVER Chris Chambers. The guy had serious man-love for Tyrone Davis. He gave Wahle that silly backloaded contract that forced us to cut him.

4th and 1..... I...I need some air.

If Arrington didnt want to play in Green Bay then thompson got used by Arrington's agents. Therefore he fucked up, since, according to you Arrington does not want to play in green bay, and Thompson wouldve been better off chasing Peterson. Boy, did Arrington phunked with Teddys heart.

Owens along may just be one player, but ownes combined with some of the other players i mentioned, along with 2 or 3 starters from the draft would make Pack a contender. The cap room was there to sign 3 or 4 marquee fa; thompson failed make it happen.

We have the money to sign Hutchinson. To say that we dont have to sign Hutchinson is idotic. Are you saying that Klemm or whitticker are better than Hutchinson. Are you saying that the Packs online is sound?

Drafting unproven rookies does not necessary mean they will eventually become leaders of the free world. Can you say Buckly, Leaf, Ki Jana Carter? It is better to have a still productive and proven vet than an unproven rookie.

As for Sherman, all i can say is: 12-4, 10-6, 10-6. you must be happy with 4-12.

[Scott Campbell]

This is the same Polar Bear who signed Arturo Freeman, Klemm, Navies, Thompson, Little and traded Johnson to the rams for Thomas.

Thompson signed Navies?

[jack's smirking revenge]

Re: What the FUCK!!!!

I was just reviewing the NFL salary cap at March 10 and Green Bay was and probably is still at the top.

All Thompson could get thus far was Pickett, Manuel and that WR (what the hell is his name again). The fucking Giants have less money than GB and they still did outbid the Polar Bear for Arrington.

Talk about inefficient use of the cap. This is how the Polar Bear fucked up the Green Bay Packers. This is the Polar Bear being CHEAP. So many teams did more with far less money than the Packers, especially Washington.

Green Bay is obviously flawed in free agency because we have a flawed and fagged and fucked GM.


Team Cap status, March 10 (under)
Green Bay Packers $35 million
Minnesota Vikings $30.9 million
Arizona Cardinals $28.9 million
Cleveland Browns $27.1 million
Philadelphia Eagles $26.1 million
San Diego Chargers $24.6 million
Jacksonville Jaguars $23.4 million
Dallas Cowboys $22.6 million
St. Louis Rams $22.1 million
New Orleans Saints $20.2 million
San Francisco 49ers $20.2 million
Detroit Lions $17.7 million
Seattle Seahawks $17.3 million
New England Patriots $16.9 million
Cincinnati Bengals $16.6 million
Chicago Bears $14.9 million
Buffalo Bills $14.1 million
New York Jets $14 million
Houston Texans $12.7 million
Atlanta Falcons $12.2 million
Denver Broncos $10.9 million
Baltimore Ravens $10.6 million
Carolina Panthers $10.4 million
New York Giants $9.9 million
Kansas City Chiefs $7.3 million
Miami Dolphins $6.3 million
Tennessee Titans $6.2 million
Pittsburgh Steelers $6.1 million
Tampa Bay Buccaneers $5.1 million
Oakland Raiders $653,000
Indianapolis Colts ($5.9 million)
Washington Redskins ($4.9 million)

Pardon if this has already been mentioned, but didn't Arrington want to signe with the Giants to get some revenge on the Redskins (stay in the division). I don't think it mattered how much money we offered him.

tyler

[MJZiggy]

Sorry Jack, yes, that deceased horse has been thoroughly abused!

[mraynrand]

Anti-Polar Bear,

I understand your distain for TT. The simple fact is that Sherman and Thompson are polar opposites. Sherman was handed a ten year aging vet MVP QB and he did everthing in his power to protect the guy and play to win every year, including retaining his veterans (Particularly on the O-line), trading picks for guys who could play NOW (a #2 for Harris and two#4s for Glenn). The 2001 draft (FOR WHICH WOLF WAS RESPONSIBLE, but Sherman had input), killed the Packers long-term. Wolf had an incredible GM year in 2000 - with four solid draft picks and trading for Green. That, and Shermy going for broke, almost led to a championship in 2002. Without the injuries, the Packers would have cruised to homefield advantage and the Superbowl. Thompson came in and is relying strictly on the draft. I think he decided Favre was over the hill, that he didn't like Sherman and was going to completely rebuild. It's just that simple. How else can you possible justify letting three probowlers go in one year and letting your 14 year vet QB get abused? I think TT was secretly very happy the Packers were injured, as it made it a hell of a lot easier to clear out Shermy. But other guys around the league notice when you fire a guy that went to the playoff four straight years and never had a losing season til you arrived. That's why TT didn't get his guy Childress.

All that being said doesn't mean TT won't be a good to great GM. He has a solid history of very good drafting, and so far has one year of weak to poor pro personnel decisions in the bank. Only the future will tell whether he is an all-around good GM. He's learning the ropes just like Shermy had to do when he was thrown to the wolves (pun intended) and had to learn how to be a GM and coach in 2002.

[b bulldog]

Why do we need to post such filth?

[Scott Campbell]

Why do we need to post such filth?

"We" aren't. It's just one guy.

[swede]

Sorry Jack, yes, that deceased horse has been thoroughly abused!

Uh... that sounds like Murph talking, Zigg.

[swede]

... Sherman was handed a ten year aging vet MVP QB and he did everthing in his power to protect the guy and play to win every year, including retaining his veterans (Particularly on the O-line), trading picks for guys who could play NOW (a #2 for Harris and two#4s for Glenn). The 2001 draft (FOR WHICH WOLF WAS RESPONSIBLE, but Sherman had input), killed the Packers long-term. Wolf had an incredible GM year in 2000 - with four solid draft picks and trading for Green. That, and Shermy going for broke, almost led to a championship in 2002. Without the injuries, the Packers would have cruised to homefield advantage and the Superbowl. Thompson came in and is relying strictly on the draft. I think he decided Favre was over the hill, that he didn't like Sherman and was going to completely rebuild. It's just that simple. How else can you possible justify letting three probowlers go in one year and letting your 14 year vet QB get abused? I think TT was secretly very happy the Packers were injured, as it made it a hell of a lot easier to clear out Shermy. But other guys around the league notice when you fire a guy that went to the playoff four straight years and never had a losing season til you arrived. That's why TT didn't get his guy Childress...

Mraynrand,

You are a veritable fountainhead of good sense. You win an Optimistic Realists lapel pin and your name will be entered into the Optimistic Realists Annual Who's Who Directory, a copy of which can be purchased for $59.95. (Make checks payable to Harlan Huckleby, I can handle cash orders.)

I am very happy that TT didn't get to hire Childress. That guy makes Mike Sherman look like an Army Ranger.

[Scott Campbell]

Sorry Jack, yes, that deceased horse has been thoroughly abused!

Uh... let's maybe keep talk like this...............................

Swede, check you pm's.

[mraynrand]

You are a veritable fountainhead of good sense. You win an Optimistic Realists lapel pin and your name will be entered into the Optimistic Realists Annual Who's Who Directory, a copy of which can be purchased for $59.95. (Make checks payable to Harlan Huckleby, I can handle cash orders.)

Can I get a copy for half-price? I'm a capitalist and I'm always looking for the best deal I can get. You should be asking for whatever price the traffic can bear.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Re: What the FUCK!!!!

Pardon if this has already been mentioned, but didn't Arrington want to signe with the Giants to get some revenge on the Redskins (stay in the division). I don't think it mattered how much money we offered him.

tyler

If Thompson knew Arrington didnt want to play in Green Bay why did he waste his time with him? Why not persue Peterson, or another LB instead?

This is where Thompson fucked up: chasing a LB who did not want to play for him, while another signed else where.

If you tell me that Peterson doesnt want to play in Green Bay also, then we have an issue here: nobody of exceptional talant want to play for our stinking GM.

Might it, then, be wise to bring in a GM who players like Wahle, Hutchinson, Woodson, would be willing to play for?

I mean $35 mil and only Pickett, Manuel and that WR is unacceptable. Mike Sherman wouldve done more with all that cash. Hell, Mike Sherman did more with less than the 7.5 mil thompson had last year.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Gimme a little while. I'll have to look it up again after dinner, but I warn you, it exists.

MJ, still waiting for evidence of how Sharper got Sherman fired.

[MJZiggy]

I knew you would be. I can't remember the context of the article (and actually it might have been McKenzie--it was one of those fiascos) but I will dig it up and post it for you. I'm just not making it a full-time job right now.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I knew you would be. I can't remember the context of the article (and actually it might have been McKenzie--it was one of those fiascos) but I will dig it up and post it for you. I'm just not making it a full-time job right now.

there isnt an article, so you wont find anything.