OFFICIAL- AHMAN GREEN A FREE AGENT

[MacCool606]

It seems that everyone thinks that Green would sign a fair contract. How do we know that a fair contract wasn't offered? Maybe it's Green that's being unreasonable at this point, thinking that he can get more than anything Green Bay offers. It could be just a game for him to get the best offer then come back for us to match. Maybe the numbers are there but the up front money isn't.

(I'm not sure I even believe this - but it could be the case.)

[MadtownPacker]

This is life on Ted's watch people. NO ONE is expendable. You do it Ted's way, OR, you hit the highway....

Funny, thats what all of Sherman ex-assistants said about him.

[red]

So, now WHO HERE thinks Thompson LEARNED ANYTHING from the Walker situation....


This is life on Ted's watch people. NO ONE is expendable. You do it Ted's way, OR, you hit the highway....

shouldn't it be, everyone is expendable?

meaning he'll get rid of anyone at anytime is he doesn't like the price?

maybe, you ment no one is exempt?

[woodbuck27]

So, now WHO HERE thinks Thompson LEARNED ANYTHING from the Walker situation....


This is life on Ted's watch people. NO ONE is expendable. You do it Ted's way, OR, you hit the highway....

lets not forget he's boring as hell

you're right he is stubborn, and its his way or no way. he won't pick up the phone for a week or two, because he has it in his mind he won't talk to any free agents right now.

what does it hurt to pick up the phone and find out whats going on? why not play the screw your rival game, where you bring in a guy the rival wants and up the price and interest in him so the rival ends up having to pay more?

wasn't it last year when a guy wanted to come in to talk, and TT would pick up the phone, was it witherspoon?

there are 2 te's that i can see that would be an improvemrnt for a position that needs a complete overhall. how are we not trying to talk to these guy? you don't have to sign them to a huge deal right there, just talk to them

do something

do what i said earlier and said last year. get a head start on the second tier guys while everyone else is fighting over the top guys

Yup. Ted certainly wouldn't make a large impact in PR.

[Guiness]

No we're talking about 1.5 million dollars. Say that number again then look at your bank account.

I think I've grown tired of players whining about money. The whole FA market is getting to be as bad as baseball.

I hear you Zool, but you have to put it in perspective. Everything is relative, and $1.5mil is about 1.2% of a $110million dollar cap. So you could argue he is quibling over the crumbs.

This number, unfortunately, has nothing to do with MY bank account.

[Partial]

Damnit, I had a marvelous post but my broke ass laptop wigged out and powered down.

Anyway, I'll summarize because it was long.

You guys and your assessment of TT is ridiculous. None of you actually know what he thinks or how he is acting. You are making your judgements based off what he feeds the media which is strategic propaganda and nothing more.

I don't fault TT at all for not wanting to give an aging, injury prone running back more money than he is worth, regardless as how good he has been to the organization over the years. It is his job to take all emotion out of the equation and make smart business decisions. Do you think that if Ahman gets 5 mil per year whatever team that signs him isn't going to regret it?

You guys do understand that just because a general manager offers a contract for X amount of dollars the player does not need to accept it, right? Say he did offer Ahman a encentive laden contract with up to 4 million per year. What if he turned that down wanting more money, with all of it guaranteed. It takes two to tango, my friends.

Lastly, comparing the Ahman Green situation to the Walker situation is beyond comprehension. Nothing is similiar at all about the situations. Nothing. I don't know how that comparison makes sense to anyone. I could go on and explain why it doesn't, but I would rather here why its a fair comparison before I post why its not.

Its the first day of free agency. I don't see any major signings on ESPN yet, so lets just sit back, relax, and see what happens.

[woodbuck27]

In reality Partial, what you and MacCool606 post as a rebuttal and defense of TT is fair.

It certainly wouldn't do Ahman Green any damage to test the FA waters and try to get whatever $ it may offer. It's afterall all about business today, and that certainly applys to the players.

That is a point Partial, in case of your stating that there is a wide difference between the cases of Ted Thompson dealing with Javon Walker and the present cirumstances governing the reasons why Ahman Green is a free agent.

I'm sure that Ted Thompson is agonizing, at least somewhat, over Ahman Green's present position, and it's possible impact on OUR season.

[Partial]

In reality Partial, what you and MacCool606 post as a rebuttal and defense of TT is fair.

It certainly wouldn't do Ahman Green any damage to test the FA waters and try to get whatever $ it may offer. It's afterall all about business today, and that certainly applys to the players.

That is a point Partial, in case of your stating that there is a wide difference between the cases of Ted Thompson dealing with Javon Walker and the present cirumstances governing the reasons why Ahman Green is a free agent.

I'm sure that Ted Thompson is agonizing, at least somewhat, over Ahman Green's present position, and it's possible impact on OUR season.

I think we are in the position of power here because I think Morency will do just fine as our starting running back. He had far more big plays than Green last year, and if for whatever reason they don't feel he can hold up to the pounding, then they will have to do RB by committee or use short passes to set-up the run. However, I think Morency would do just fine. I am quite convinced he knows how to avoid the big hit ala Brian Calhoun.

[CaptainKickass]

This whole thing sucks. What happened to the priority being "retaining our CORE players"??

When did Green loose the priveledge and become a player who does not fit the definition of "CORE"??

I have no problem with the running back by committee as we saw last year with Green and Morency anyway. The thing that Green brings is both experience at catching the pass out of the backfield, and more importantly - picking up the blitz for Favre. The blocking ability and experience he has is far superior to Morency and anyone else we may draft.

Who had a 1000 yd season again?

And I'll say it again - who does Brett Favre trust to pick up the blitz in passing situations? Green.

Sign him.

There was another thread last year where Ron Wolf was interviewed and asked about Greens injury and if the Pack should keep him - his answer was two words without hesitation:

"Sign Him".


geezus........

[Partial]

This whole thing sucks. What happened to the priority being "retaining our CORE players"??

When did Green loose the priveledge and become a player who does not fit the definition of "CORE"??

I have no problem with the running back by committee as we saw last year with Green and Morency anyway. The thing that Green brings is both experience at catching the pass out of the backfield, and more importantly - picking up the blitz for Favre. The blocking ability and experience he has is far superior to Morency and anyone else we may draft.

Who had a 1000 yd season again?

And I'll say it again - who does Brett Favre trust to pick up the blitz in passing situations? Green.

Sign him.

There was another thread last year where Ron Wolf was interviewed and asked about Greens injury and if the Pack should keep him - his answer was two words without hesitation:

"Sign Him".


geezus........

You can't sign a player that doesn't want to sign. If he truly wanted to remain a packer he'd have gotten it done already. He already has more money than he'll ever spend. If playing for the packers was a priority he'd be one right now.

[packerbacker1234]

You ever think maybe because of Green Morency got the big gash's? They defense is prolly more intesified to stop the run with Green in the Morency.

Nothing against Morency, but most of his runs had massive holes and he wasn't even touched. The few times I saw a guy touch him he was on the ground in a second.

Aguytouches green and he keeps those legs pumping for an extra yard or two. Maybe green doesn't make cuts like he use too, but he is very reliable and is exactly what we need for tough yards. Plus if the hole is there green still has a big burst of speed in that tank. Green could well push 1300 yards or more with the improvement in the line. Lets not forget the screen and pass threat green presents out of the backfield as well.

Were trying to get Brett to the playoffs and maybe another ring right?Green is our best option at RB at the moment to get that done.

However, I am sure a preliminary offer was made to Green. Green is playing it smart and seeing what his market value is. He will then turn to the packers and be like "here is what I am being offered. I want to be a packer. So what will you offer to counter this."

I don't see a RB getting a big payday anywhere.

So never fret Green will be back. He'll get offered 3 mil a year plus incentives for some team and the packers will gladly match that offer.

[Partial]

You ever think maybe because of Green Morency got the big gash's? They defense is prolly more intesified to stop the run with Green in the Morency.

Nothing against Morency, but most of his runs had massive holes and he wasn't even touched. The few times I saw a guy touch him he was on the ground in a second.

Aguytouches green and he keeps those legs pumping for an extra yard or two. Maybe green doesn't make cuts like he use too, but he is very reliable and is exactly what we need for tough yards. Plus if the hole is there green still has a big burst of speed in that tank. Green could well push 1300 yards or more with the improvement in the line. Lets not forget the screen and pass threat green presents out of the backfield as well.

Were trying to get Brett to the playoffs and maybe another ring right?Green is our best option at RB at the moment to get that done.

However, I am sure a preliminary offer was made to Green. Green is playing it smart and seeing what his market value is. He will then turn to the packers and be like "here is what I am being offered. I want to be a packer. So what will you offer to counter this."

I don't see a RB getting a big payday anywhere.

So never fret Green will be back. He'll get offered 3 mil a year plus incentives for some team and the packers will gladly match that offer.

Morency has much better vision and has more shake to him. The reason he was drafted in the third round was because he was hesistant in hitting the whole. I didn't see that from him at all last year.

[woodbuck27]

# 34 Vernand Morency Position: RB Height: 5-9 Weight: 212
Born: 02/04/1980 College: Oklahoma State NFL Experience: 3

Rushing

Year Team G ..GS.. Att.. Yds.. Avg.. Lg.. TD.. 20+... 1st
05 Texans 12.. 1... 46.. 184.. 4.0.. 25... 2..... 1....... 7
06 Packers 14.. 2.. 96... 434.. 4.5.. 39... 2..... 4....... 2

Receiving

Year Team.... G.. GS.. Rec.. Yds.. Avg.. Lg.. TD.. 20+.. 40+... 1st
05 Texans.. 12.. 1... 10.... 87... 8.7.. 16... 0.....0....... 0....... 5
06 Packers... 14.. 2... 17.. 118... 6.9.. 29... 0.... 1....... 0....... 4

VS.

# 30 Ahman Green Position: RB Height: 6-0 Weight: 218
Born: 02/16/1977 College: Nebraska NFL Experience: 10

Rushing

Year Team ...G GS Att Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 1st
98 Seahawks 16 0 35 209 6.0 64 1 2 8
99 Seahawks 14 0 26 120 4.6 21 0 1 12
00 Packers... 16 11 263 1175 4.5 39 10 10 61
01 Packers... 16 16 304 1387 4.6 83 9 11 57
02 Packers... 14 14 286 1240 4.3 43 7 7 54
03 Packers... 16 16 355 1883 5.3 98 15 15 96
04 Packers... 15 15 259 1163 4.5 90 7 6 55

*05 Green Bay Packers 5 5 77 255 3.3 13 0 0 11
** 06 Green Bay Packers 14 14 266 1059 4.0 avg 70 (long) 5TD and 3 X 20+ runs and 55 X 1st downs

* injury

** rehab. fr. injury

Receiving

Year Team G GS Rec Yds Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ 1st
98 Seahawks 16 0 3 2 0.7 3 0 0 0 0
99 Seahawks 14 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0 0
00 Packers... 16 11 73 559 7.7 31 3 2 0 29
01 Packers... 16 16 62 594 9.6 42 2 5 1 24
02 Packers... 14 14 57 393 6.9 23 2 2 0 19
03 Packers... 16 16 50 367 7.3 27 5 4 0 19
04 Packers... 15 15 40 275 6.9 48 1 3 1 17

* 05 Packers..... 5 5 19 147 7.7 20 0 1 0 8
**06 Packers... 14 14 46 373 yards 8.1 avg. long of 20 and 1 TD and 1 X 20+ and 0 X 40+ and 14 1st downs.

I believe a careful analysis of the statistical comparison bet. V.Morency and A. Green certainly favors Ahman Green and Ahman is only 3 years his senior but with 7 years more NFL experience.

I have no reason to establish faith in V. Morency, based on what he's done in the NFL to date. The same goes for all of OUR RB's with the exception of Ahman Green.

Wait a second.

Are we still re-building?

[packerbacker1234]

You also must of missed his fumbles from someone arm tackling him as well last year hmm?

Green > Morency.

If Morency was this all great back no one would be talking Lynch in the draft or even care if Green was resigned or not.

[MadtownPacker]

I'm sure that Ted Thompson is agonizing, at least somewhat, over Ahman Green's present position, and it's possible impact on OUR season.

Then he isnt as stupid as some claim.

Like some have said, maybe TT is letting Ahman set his price in the market and then TT will try to match it. Kinda like eBay, get the best deal you can. It is fair to Green and fair to the team.