Big spending doesn't pay in free agency

[MJZiggy]

Re: TT

And how do you know he hasn't been in contact with both?

It's in MCGINN's latest column towards the bottom. He has'nt contacted Hamlin's agent.

When was that written? Got a link?

[retailguy]

What other GM in the league is announcing to the AP and local media every time they make a phone call? I mean it would be seriously nice if TT would call Mad up every time he did anything to have him post it for us, but doing that might just get us into some bidding wars...

You make my point. It's not the GM's that talk, it's the AGENTS. What agent has leaked info about the Packers....

Can't you infer from that, that there are few if any phone calls?, and further, if that's the case, LIMITED interest?

[MJZiggy]

They wouldn't announce it if the player wasn't willing to negotiate. Too easy for it to backfire and bite them in the ass regardless of the possibility of enticing another team.

[woodbuck27]

Re: FA

Free Agency is nothing more than a tool and like any tool, it's as good or as bad as the person using it.

Then, perhaps, maybe someone should give Ted some lessons.

I would hope and trust that Ted Thompson isn't all the show in regards to adopting policy and priority in terms of FA.

The early period of FA shouldn't necessarily be ignored or bypassed to only step up for the best price market. There are conditions that exist when real talent hits free agency and justifies serious consideration.

I am picking up on at least an undercurrent belief. That production on the Packers will be attained through a program of sustained and competent coaching and I have difficulty buying that. Certainly the proper fundamentles should have been instiled in a player by the time he enters the draft or more certainly has spent time in the NFL.Then it's just a matter if he's the right fit for that teams system.

I believe that real athletic talent offers it's own rewards to a teams objectives, and can't be necessarily or reasonably expected in a three or four season span of coaching a player.

The Packers need more natural playmakers.

The Packers are about to allow one in the fold to walk away, in the name of Ahman Green.

[retailguy]

Re: FA

The Packers need more natural playmakers.

The Packers are about to allow one in the fold to walk away, in the name of Ahman Green.

Don't worry Buck. They'll draft a guy in the 4th round who'll be ready to contribute in 2009. Gotta build through the draft, you know?

[retailguy]

They wouldn't announce it if the player wasn't willing to negotiate. Too easy for it to backfire and bite them in the ass regardless of the possibility of enticing another team.

True, but HOW OFTEN does this happen? C'mon Zig, all the excuses in the world won't wash this. He's either come in with ridiculous offers, or has little interest... and FEW phone calls.

[Partial]

Re: FA

The Packers need more natural playmakers.

The Packers are about to allow one in the fold to walk away, in the name of Ahman Green.

Don't worry Buck. They'll draft a guy in the 4th round who'll be ready to contribute in 2009. Gotta build through the draft, you know?

Why is everyone so down on Morency? He had WAY more big plays than Green last year, is clearly a skilled zone runner, and certainly seems to avoid the big hit.

[red]

Re: FA

Free Agency is nothing more than a tool and like any tool, it's as good or as bad as the person using it.

Then, perhaps, maybe someone should give Ted some lessons.

I would reckon that Woodson and Pickett were excellent pickups.

Things are a bit different this year, P. Presumably the "core" is there and spots can be filled via Free Agency.

This is the same crap that happened in Seattle. I was there. I watched it. Seattle had some holes, but FEW holes, for about THREE years. There were few attempts to patch them.

I'm not looking to be the next Washington or the next Minnesota. That being said, there are a few holes that could be patched with relatively young players at fair prices.

Pointing to Woodson and Pickett is the same thing as pointing to Joe Johnson & Cleditus Hunt. You can't single out individual players. That's not reasonable in EITHER direction.

YES YES YES

thats is the difference. you don't build through FA. you build through the draft and use FA to fill holes

absolutely

we are the youngest team in the nfl, and have a few solid base of young guys, with a few holes that need to be filled

those guys that we need are sitting right there, but we're not doing anything about it. and those guys will not break the bank. a TE is not going to get 50 million like thomas will, ken hamlin will got get a 20 million dollar bonus like clements. but these guys are in high demand, and will be gone soon

and if we don't get those guys, we risk having to settle for mark romans, or other david martins and david lee's to try and fill those hole

we don't need to sign 6 of the top 10 FA's. but a couple of the top 50 shouldn't be out of the question. when they would be a clear upgrade at that position. and not kill our cap for the next decade

[retailguy]

Re: FA

Why is everyone so down on Morency? He had WAY more big plays than Green last year, is clearly a skilled zone runner, and certainly seems to avoid the big hit.

This is really quite simple. AT MOST, the Packers are THREE players away from a prolific offense, a good TE, a WR to complement Driver and a RB that can be counted on.

Could Morency make it? Sure. Will he? WHO KNOWS. For kicks, lets just say that we get a TE that can catch, and a second receiver threat, but lose green and need to rely on Morency. Do you really want to risk him looking like Lamont Jordan over a couple of million dollars? WHY RISK THAT?

It's STUPID. Ahman Green is not the next coming of Christ, but he's a "more sure bet" than Morency at a REASONABLE rate.

As far as the contract, look at Fred Taylor. This is NOT THAT HARD Partial.

[wist43]

Lest anyone forget the greatest FA signing of all time, IMO, Reggie White.

As for Morency, I'm not down on him; however, he is what he is, a third down back. He lacks the size and physicality to hold up as an every down back.

Letting Green walk, if he does leave, will definitely hurt the offense; whether or not TT drafts Lynch. Green is an extremely valuable player, IMO.

[retailguy]

Re: FA

YES YES YES

thats is the difference. you don't build through FA. you build through the draft and use FA to fill holes

absolutely

Red AGREES with me? Next thing you know, SOV will be drinking the kool-aid.

Batten down the hatches, we're about to crash into the SUN....

[Partial]

Re: FA

Why is everyone so down on Morency? He had WAY more big plays than Green last year, is clearly a skilled zone runner, and certainly seems to avoid the big hit.

This is really quite simple. AT MOST, the Packers are THREE players away from a prolific offense, a good TE, a WR to complement Driver and a RB that can be counted on.

Could Morency make it? Sure. Will he? WHO KNOWS. For kicks, lets just say that we get a TE that can catch, and a second receiver threat, but lose green and need to rely on Morency. Do you really want to risk him looking like Lamont Jordan over a couple of million dollars? WHY RISK THAT?

It's STUPID. Ahman Green is not the next coming of Christ, but he's a "more sure bet" than Morency at a REASONABLE rate.

As far as the contract, look at Fred Taylor. This is NOT THAT HARD Partial.

Right, I agree. My guess is Ahman turned that contract down, though.

[red]

Re: FA

YES YES YES

thats is the difference. you don't build through FA. you build through the draft and use FA to fill holes

absolutely

Red AGREES with me? Next thing you know, SOV will be drinking the kool-aid.

Batten down the hatches, we're about to crash into the SUN....

yeah, its been a weird day for me

first i find myself agreeing with wist, and now you

i need a nap

[GBRulz]

Who is in charge of the cap? TT or Andrew Brandt? According to his bio, it seems like Brandt is in charge of the cap. Just wondering.

http://www.packers.com/team/staff/brandt_andrew/

[woodbuck27]

Who is in charge of the cap? TT or Andrew Brandt? According to his bio, it seems like Brandt is in charge of the cap. Just wondering.

http://www.packers.com/team/staff/brandt_andrew/

Here is some support for that:

“We’re having conversations,” Thompson said of team negotiator Andrew Brandt and Green’s agent, “and again you never know when that last conversation takes place that you have a deal. But we’re trying, and we’ve made clear all along we’d like to have him back.”