Anyone worried?

[ND72]

I only read the first post, so sorry if this has been said a lot...but why is anyone concerned that we haven't signed anyone yet? Are there guys we could have used? sure...but 8 years $80 million for Clements? are you kidding me. I say good job Ted Thompson. You're signing quality guys the past 2 years and not over paying for many if any, and keeping our cap looking good. Give us osme good drafts, and we'll be contenders.

[hawaii50]

i'm not panicking, but i do admit i'm antsy. i don't mind thompson's style because he has gained my trust, but at some point if you really want a player you're going to have to make an attempt early to get him.

i don't care about big names, but one guy i really do hope we land is justin griffith. if he gets away i'd be disappointed b/c ovie is already gone. i think griffith could really help our team, even though he might not be the "big name" guy. i think he could make an impact, and we have enough money to sign him to a fair deal.

[Bretsky]

First off, your wrong sir.

We have VERY FEW HOLES on this team.

The DL is solidified. The OL is Solidified. Our Linebacking Core is solid. Our starting CB's and one safety is solid.

I think personally Underwood is our answer at safety.

Offense: Sure RB is a ?, but in the end I see green getting back with us.
QB: Favre and two young guys, good to go.
WR: There is a decent Core here. One more to take up a more solid 3 wr slot or possibly a number 2 would be nice, but not required.


There is no solid FA's in the market this year. The best one out there is prolly injury prone Stokely or Over the Hill Joe Horn. WHich, btw, TT did call Joe Horn if you must know.

I think we have most of hte pieces already in place. A few upgrades is always welcome, but there isn't much out there int he market thats better then the personel we already have,

We'll have to agree to disagree; if there isn't much better than the personnell we have apparently we must be an outstanding team already

I'm fine with our DL; we'd agree there
Our OL is young; I think we need a solid vet but I may be being nitpicky here
We have two very good LB's are Poppinga is debateable

We have two competent CB's; it's silly to say we are set with the rest there

We have one competent S and guys who have proven nothing; to say we are set there is using blind faith. Underwood had a torn ACL for gosh sake; any research on playes who tore their ACL's will show you he can get back to 100% but it does not occur right away.

We have two starting caliber WR's; we are not set there

TE was horrible for us last year; we are not set there

We don't have a starting RB; I'd hope to sign Green too but until it happens I'm not banking on it

By your logic we are undoubtedly a playoff team as opposed to a team who beat one over .500 team last year in a meaningless game

I feel we have holes to fill and if you look at the list of available free agents you'll see many potential upgrades.

[Charles Woodson]

I'm perfectly fine with what TT is doing. He's doing what any smart GM would do.

Let's make this a fire analogy.

All of the GMs in the league are firefighters and there is this HUGE fire called Free Agency. Now, all the bystanders, we'll came them fans, want their firefighter to do something about the fire. So all these "firefighters" are rushing into the "fire." Only problem is that the firefighters forgot their equipment, also known as "common sense." The firefighters are so caught up trying to put out the fire early, that they forgot their equipment. Now there's this one firefighter, we'll call him "Ted." Now Ted looks at all those firefighters trying to do something about the fire, and just stands there and smiles to himself. You see, Ted is going to watch all these firefighters fight the fire, not accomplishing much except making the "fans" cheer. Now, once they are all dead, he's going to do something about the "fire" himself. That way he has less work to do and he isn't going to die in the "fire."

Does this make any sense to anybody or did I have too many?

What the hell?!? I feel like I just listened to a trailer for the movie Ladder 49!

wasnt a good analogy.

The thing is, in this age of Free Agents, your going to have to overpay. So instead of looking at there salary look at the player and say, Do we need this guy?

[the_idle_threat]

Herron looks solid every time he touches the ball. In fact, with AG gone I'de want Herron to start.

While I agree with the general proposition that free agency is fool's gold and there are few (if any) guys out there worth overpaying for, you have abdicated a lot of your credibility with the statement above.

Herron has no business being on an NFL roster and he absolutely must be replaced. Whenever he touches the ball, it's painfully apparent that he is incredibly slow and has no burst. He was an unfortunate downgrade from Tony Fisher, who was no starting-caliber player either for the same reason.

[Rastak]

I'm perfectly fine with what TT is doing. He's doing what any smart GM would do.

Let's make this a fire analogy.

All of the GMs in the league are firefighters and there is this HUGE fire called Free Agency. Now, all the bystanders, we'll came them fans, want their firefighter to do something about the fire. So all these "firefighters" are rushing into the "fire." Only problem is that the firefighters forgot their equipment, also known as "common sense." The firefighters are so caught up trying to put out the fire early, that they forgot their equipment. Now there's this one firefighter, we'll call him "Ted." Now Ted looks at all those firefighters trying to do something about the fire, and just stands there and smiles to himself. You see, Ted is going to watch all these firefighters fight the fire, not accomplishing much except making the "fans" cheer. Now, once they are all dead, he's going to do something about the "fire" himself. That way he has less work to do and he isn't going to die in the "fire."

Does this make any sense to anybody or did I have too many?

What the hell?!? I feel like I just listened to a trailer for the movie Ladder 49!

wasnt a good analogy.

The thing is, in this age of Free Agents, your going to have to overpay. So instead of looking at there salary look at the player and say, Do we need this guy?

And what is an overpay? Someone mentioned ebay in another thread....great point. If I have a wallet full of cash and something I want and I bid what I can afford is it overpaying? If I'm poor as hell, then YES, I should be worried. If it's within my means, then who the hell cares!


I know some people worry about salary cap hell.....earth to fans, the teams in the NFC North are NOT teetering on it.


But if we overpay, we will land in cap hell! NOPE. Unless you structure the deals like an idiot you're fine.

[Packnut]

Past

First off, your wrong sir.

We have VERY FEW HOLES on this team.

The DL is solidified. The OL is Solidified. Our Linebacking Core is solid. Our starting CB's and one safety is solid.

I think personally Underwood is our answer at safety.

Offense: Sure RB is a ?, but in the end I see green getting back with us.
QB: Favre and two young guys, good to go.
WR: There is a decent Core here. One more to take up a more solid 3 wr slot or possibly a number 2 would be nice, but not required.


There is no solid FA's in the market this year. The best one out there is prolly injury prone Stokely or Over the Hill Joe Horn. WHich, btw, TT did call Joe Horn if you must know.

I think we have most of hte pieces already in place. A few upgrades is always welcome, but there isn't much out there int he market thats better then the personel we already have,

We'll have to agree to disagree; if there isn't much better than the personnell we have apparently we must be an outstanding team already

I'm fine with our DL; we'd agree there
Our OL is young; I think we need a solid vet but I may be being nitpicky here
We have two very good LB's are Poppinga is debateable

We have two competent CB's; it's silly to say we are set with the rest there

We have one competent S and guys who have proven nothing; to say we are set there is using blind faith. Underwood had a torn ACL for gosh sake; any research on playes who tore their ACL's will show you he can get back to 100% but it does not occur right away.

We have two starting caliber WR's; we are not set there

TE was horrible for us last year; we are not set there

We don't have a starting RB; I'd hope to sign Green too but until it happens I'm not banking on it

By your logic we are undoubtedly a playoff team as opposed to a team who beat one over .500 team last year in a meaningless game

I feel we have holes to fill and if you look at the list of available free agents you'll see many potential upgrades.

I'm glad at least someone here lives in reality. Reading some of these insane posts make ya forget how bad the Jets and Pats kicked our FREAKIN fannies. I guess living in la la land and ignoring the facts make people feel better so what the hell.............

When ya read things like Manuel will get better or Underwood will be fine or Herron can start, it's like what the hell are these people smokin?

[GrnBay007]

Not concerned about the rest right now.............SIGN GREEN!!

[Charles Woodson]

First off, your wrong sir.

We have VERY FEW HOLES on this team.

The DL is solidified. The OL is Solidified. Our Linebacking Core is solid. Our starting CB's and one safety is solid.

I think personally Underwood is our answer at safety.

Offense: Sure RB is a ?, but in the end I see green getting back with us.
QB: Favre and two young guys, good to go.
WR: There is a decent Core here. One more to take up a more solid 3 wr slot or possibly a number 2 would be nice, but not required.


There is no solid FA's in the market this year. The best one out there is prolly injury prone Stokely or Over the Hill Joe Horn. WHich, btw, TT did call Joe Horn if you must know.

I think we have most of hte pieces already in place. A few upgrades is always welcome, but there isn't much out there int he market thats better then the personel we already have,

explain this

With the 2nd easiest schedule we only managed to pull off wins on

-Wins: Detroit Miami Arizona, Minnesota San Fransisco Detroit Minnesota Chicago.

-Loses: Chicago, New Orleans, Phili, Saint Louis, Buffalo New England Seattle, New York.

Times we blew someone out (more than 10 points): 4 times, Detroit, Miami, Arizona, Chicago

Times we got blown out by someone (more than 10 points): 6 times, Chicago, Phili, Buffalo, New England, New york.

Its just that we had the secound easiest schedule and we won most of the easy games. But theres deffinetley a problem when you get blown out 6 times. Chicago was the only team that we beat that was over .500. I think that stat alone sums up our need for more talent. Yes i recognize that we are a building team, we werent suppose to win that many games last year and we deffinetly exceded my expectations for this team last year but as a building team we still need to add players that didnt perform well last year. TE and Saftey are the largest ones. There are TE's that can upgrade that position and there are safetys that can upgrade that position.

[DannoMac21]

I just hope something's getting done with the Moss deal.

[Charles Woodson]

I just hope something's getting done with the Moss deal.

me too. Id be happy with Deion Grant, Justin Griffin, and the TE from SF in FA's and Moss. Thats All i ask for

[hawaii50]

I just hope something's getting done with the Moss deal.

me too. Id be happy with Deion Grant, Justin Griffin, and the TE from SF in FA's and Moss. Thats All i ask for

That would be great. grant or hamlin, either or.

[motife]

Ted Thompson did the same thing last year. Didn't jump in Free Agency until all the big names were signed. Then sifted through the remains for "value".

[Rastak]

Ted Thompson did the same thing last year. Didn't jump in Free Agency until all the big names were signed. Then sifted through the remains for "value".

So what wins games? Talent or "value"?

Not picking on ya Motife, I love your posts and insight. It's just that unless a team is flush against the cap I'm not sure "value" is the be all end all.

If you ignore it all the time you get into trouble of course. But thet shouldn't drive your every move..in my humble opinion of course.....

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think last year worked out fine. The mistake was Manuel. Otherwise, pretty good. I just hope it works out the same way this year. I'd roll into the season with 2 good, new starters from FA--and hopefully the draft takes care of the other needs. I just hope the 2 good, new starters are at TE and possibly S. We really need a veteran S. There is only one standout TE in the draft. The problem is he isn't worth the #16 pick and won't be available in the mid-2nd. My wish list is TE, S, possibly Moss, resign Ahman, and hopefully find some CBs and WRs in the draft.