Packer Rats FF League

[Little Whiskey]

just thought i'd give my two cents even though i'm not playing nor have i played ff. And i'm the one who called jack the elitest!! just from a logistics perspective it seems that the more teams you have the more proplems you will have. drafting, trading etc.. I also agree with the one champion. we are all adults (or very close to) we can have winners and losers, we don't all have to have participation ribbons. My vote is that jack started this league, let him run it as he see fits. if some one else chooses to do the pick a team league, let them do it. thanks for listening....

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Just another quick thing to bring up. Do you think we'll actually have 48 interested parties Jack? The worst thing that can happen in an FFL league is a dead team, with 48 teams i bet atleast an 8th will be dead by week 4. Just a thought..

[MadtownPacker]

Here's the contradiction Mad: fantasy football ONLY HAS ONE Commish. It's not a team sport at the top of fantasy football administration. You DO have to do it my way, or don't do it all. That's how FF works. You play with my system or you don't. I can be flexible with some of the scoring rules, but, as with a HC, OC or DC, you implement the system you bring to the team.

So....it's ultimately PR's call. I'm not on a power trip. It just cannot be done effectively any other way. Ask anyone that's Commished a league.

Let me know your thoughts. I volunteered to manage this, but it is my scoring system and fantasy football system that'd we'd be implementing. As I said, i don't have a problem not doing it. I have enough fantasy football outlets to satisfy my fix.

Perhaps its time for a poll?

We DO it the way we need to do it so that those who want to play can play. As for doing it your way or not doing it at all, well all I can say is you arent the only person that can run a league. If you are going to be too busy then let not take up anymore of your time.

You know my thoughts, now lets see what everyone else thinks.

[jack's smirking revenge]

Just another quick thing to bring up. Do you think we'll actually have 48 interested parties Jack? The worst thing that can happen in an FFL league is a dead team, with 48 teams i bet atleast an 8th will be dead by week 4. Just a thought..

I totally agree with you. I had two of those last year in my league. I have a Rogue Team clause in my rules that states that a Commish can take over a team if a team is considered dead. I also create an Advisory council of participating teams to vote on rule changes or Rogue Team situations. Dead teams have to be dealt with regularly.

I'm not sure what to say. I do think we'd be hardpressed to get 48 people participating. I think we're already up near 30 though with people that I haven't added to the list yet. Perhaps over the next couple months we could solicit further. But I do think there's a chance we could get to 48. The numbers here have skyrocketed lately and will get better once the full site is up.

tyler

[jack's smirking revenge]

That poll is a waste Mad. I've already suggested a way to expand it to 48. But whatever. I guess we'll let that determine whether or not my participation will continue.

tyler

[MadtownPacker]

That poll is a waste Mad. I've already suggested a way to expand it to 48. But whatever. I guess we'll let that determine whether or not my participation will continue.

tyler

The opinions of PR members are never a waste.

Your suggestion on how to do 48 is good and proves that there is way to do it.

If not getting your way means you dont want to do it then thats on you.

[gureski]

I haven't had a ton of time to take part on the boards over the past week or two but after skimming some of the conversation about how to manage all the multiple owners and such...

I would like to offer the following solution/suggestion for consideration.

In another FF league that I'm in there is a system set up that may fit exactly what you're looking to do here with your Packer Rats league.

What you do is you set up a tiered league.

You can do this with any number of players or l8, 10, or 12 team leagues and it will allow you the flexability to please everyone.

You set it up with three distinct tiers...

The first tier is the lowest tier...also a spot where beginners can start out and learn. This tier features all the teams that had losing records from the prior year and teams that had good records but not good enough to move up to the middle tier the previous year.

The next tier (middle tier) consists of a combination of the most successful teams from the lower tier the prior year as well as losers from the Highest tier AND some carry-overs from this same level from the prior year.

In the Top Tier you have the top teams from each year...the champions from the middle tier and their runner ups as well as some hold-overs from the top Tier from the year before.

Now, the whole idea here is that you earn your way up to the top tier of the triangle of leagues and that's where you crown your Ultimate Packer Rat Champion. You can name each tier whatever you want. YOu can tweak the qualifications and tiebreakers for moving up and down as you wish. It will work with as few as 24 owners in 3 leagues (8 owners for each tier) or with as many as 72 owners.....3 twelve team leagues on the bottom, 2 twelve team leagues in the middle, and 1 twelve team leage on top. It can even, hypothetically, work with more then 72 owners...if you wish. It's whatever you want it to be.

For the first year you could just pull names to determine who goes into what league or you could do a sign up or just whatever. The options are limitless and the potential is there to please everyone. You can work it with as many or as few teams as you get.

So....I wanted to toss that out there for you guys. I've been part of a league just like I describe for 2 years going on 3 and the league itself has been around for something like 5 to 7 years. It's easily coordinated and a ton of fun. You earn your way up to the top tier. That's the whole point. That way you're all one big league despite having seperate leagues with seperate drafts.

That's just one suggestion on how you could possible please everyone's wishes.

[jack's smirking revenge]

Here's the contradiction Mad: fantasy football ONLY HAS ONE Commish. It's not a team sport at the top of fantasy football administration. You DO have to do it my way, or don't do it all. That's how FF works. You play with my system or you don't. I can be flexible with some of the scoring rules, but, as with a HC, OC or DC, you implement the system you bring to the team.

So....it's ultimately PR's call. I'm not on a power trip. It just cannot be done effectively any other way. Ask anyone that's Commished a league.

Let me know your thoughts. I volunteered to manage this, but it is my scoring system and fantasy football system that'd we'd be implementing. As I said, i don't have a problem not doing it. I have enough fantasy football outlets to satisfy my fix.

Perhaps its time for a poll?

We DO it the way we need to do it so that those who want to play can play. As for doing it your way or not doing it at all, well all I can say is you arent the only person that can run a league. If you are going to be too busy then let not take up anymore of your time.

You know my thoughts, now lets see what everyone else thinks.

When did this ever become about "my time"? I volunteered to run this thing. I never suggested I didn't have the time to do this. You obviously don't know what's involved with running a league, so you can't criticize how much time it takes. Running a single league--just 12 teams--is a very involved process. To create a Packer Rats league that accomodates everyone that wants to be involved is definitely possible, but someone is going to grey administrating it. I don't have any clue why I've offered, other than I really like the people here and think it will be fun.

If you aim for quantity (and accomodate anyone that wants to play), your quality will be shot. I'm trying to strike a balance.

tyler

[MadtownPacker]

When did this ever become about "my time"? I volunteered to run this thing. I never suggested I didn't have the time to do this. You obviously don't know what's involved with running a league, so you can't criticize how much time it takes. Running a single league--just 12 teams--is a very involved process. To create a Packer Rats league that accomodates everyone that wants to be involved is definitely possible, but someone is going to grey administrating it. I don't have any clue why I've offered, other than I really like the people here and think it will be fun.

If you aim for quantity (and accomodate anyone that wants to play), your quality will be shot. I'm trying to strike a balance.

Read back on a couple of your post on this thread and you might noticed where you mentioned your time.

FYI - Dont tell me what I dont know about unless you are sure I dont know.

I dont CARE how much time it takes (see, you just brought up time AGAIN).

As for why you offered, again, then dont. The world wont end, the sun will still come up tomorrow. That is up to you.

[jack's smirking revenge]

That poll is a waste Mad. I've already suggested a way to expand it to 48. But whatever. I guess we'll let that determine whether or not my participation will continue.

tyler

The opinions of PR members are never a waste.

Your suggestion on how to do 48 is good and proves that there is way to do it.

If not getting your way means you dont want to do it then thats on you.

I didn't suggest the opinions are a waste. Your poll is a waste. Your poll asks whether or not we should restrict the PR League to 24 teams when I already suggested a way to accomodate more.

The poll should be: go with Tyler's system or let someone else administrate (or go with a community-developed league)?

But you know, your last comment is what gets me the most. I don't think you truly understand and GET that, in this case, ONE person needs to be in control. Yes, that means I get my way. This is not a power trip at all, but the reality of fantasy football. Fantasy football, when effective, involves one system and process, implemented by one person. Everyone participates in that person's league.

The sense I get from you is that you want a community PR fantasy football league with rules and structure governed and created by the people of the PR site. If that's the route people want to go, then that's fine with me. I don't want to be involved though. You know what they say about too many cooks in the kitchen.... I don't have a problem with teams. In fact, I am a project manager. But, in certain cases, individuals have to drive and be in charge, be responsible for the product or output. If you take a team approach to the development of the league, then you'd better start now, because you'll have people arguing about structure and rules/scoring rules for months.

Simply, my suggestion is that you change the poll.

tyler

[jack's smirking revenge]

When did this ever become about "my time"? I volunteered to run this thing. I never suggested I didn't have the time to do this. You obviously don't know what's involved with running a league, so you can't criticize how much time it takes. Running a single league--just 12 teams--is a very involved process. To create a Packer Rats league that accomodates everyone that wants to be involved is definitely possible, but someone is going to grey administrating it. I don't have any clue why I've offered, other than I really like the people here and think it will be fun.

If you aim for quantity (and accomodate anyone that wants to play), your quality will be shot. I'm trying to strike a balance.

Read back on a couple of your post on this thread and you might noticed where you mentioned your time.

FYI - Dont tell me what I dont know about unless you are sure I dont know.

I dont CARE how much time it takes (see, you just brought up time AGAIN).

As for why you offered, again, then dont. The world wont end, the sun will still come up tomorrow. That is up to you.

So, then tell me Mad, have you ever run a league?

tyler

[jack's smirking revenge]

So....I wanted to toss that out there for you guys. I've been part of a league just like I describe for 2 years going on 3 and the league itself has been around for something like 5 to 7 years. It's easily coordinated and a ton of fun. You earn your way up to the top tier. That's the whole point. That way you're all one big league despite having seperate leagues with seperate drafts.

That's just one suggestion on how you could possible please everyone's wishes.

Interesting suggestion gureski. Thanks for the thoughts. With my 48-proposal, I've tiered the PR league a bit. As we're just starting out, we don't have the winners/losers tiers yet, but I understand what you're saying.

Question: How do you have everyone in "one big league despite having separate leagues with separate drafts"? How do you draft every year? 48 teams drawing from the same talent pool in the same league doesn't seem possible.

tyler

[MadtownPacker]

I didn't suggest the opinions are a waste. Your poll is a waste. Your poll asks whether or not we should restrict the PR League to 24 teams when I already suggested a way to accomodate more.

The poll should be: go with Tyler's system or let someone else administrate (or go with a community-developed league)?

But you know, your last comment is what gets me the most. I don't think you truly understand and GET that, in this case, ONE person needs to be in control. Yes, that means I get my way. This is not a power trip at all, but the reality of fantasy football. Fantasy football, when effective, involves one system and process, implemented by one person. Everyone participates in that person's league.

The sense I get from you is that you want a community PR fantasy football league with rules and structure governed and created by the people of the PR site. If that's the route people want to go, then that's fine with me. I don't want to be involved though. You know what they say about too many cooks in the kitchen.... I don't have a problem with teams. In fact, I am a project manager. But, in certain cases, individuals have to drive and be in charge, be responsible for the product or output. If you take a team approach to the development of the league, then you'd better start now, because you'll have people arguing about structure and rules/scoring rules for months.

Simply, my suggestion is that you change the poll.

tyler

Sounds like you dont get what it. No one is saying anything about the scoring or any of that crap. I just think PR should try to accomadate those who want to play by adding more teams if needed. Dont try to switch this around, cuz that is what it is about.

After that whoever is running the league should decide how the system works.

The poll stays until that is sorted out. Then you or whoever is running the league can structure the league based on the # of teams. IF you dont want to be involved, then do what you gotta do.

[MJZiggy]

Gureski, that was a wonderful post and sounds like just what I was hoping FF was like. Sounds like a lot of fun. Do you think if we signed up, we could choose to be on the lowest level if we've never done it before and we could sort of rate ourselves on our own ability?

[MadtownPacker]

So, then tell me Mad, have you ever run a league?

Yes. Yahoo ones and NFL.com ones. Some where 12 or 16 members.