Michael Turner

[Brando19]

I am saying Trade our current 1st for the Pats two firsts send one pick to the Chargers for Turner.

I have seen most of his games, via NFL Ticket. He is not a Davenport in that he doesnt have the up and down running style that gets you hurt playing in the NFL. he has moves of both a RB and return man and can out run a Favre laser.

He will be a stud in this league

I really really really really like this idea.

[wist43]

The bottom line is - neither Morency or Herron is a feature back.

Silverstein, in the JS today said, "the Packers would be the laughing stock of the league" if they went into the season with their current backfield... I agree.

Morency is a dancer/slasher that can't, or won't, lower his shoulder... he goes down far too easy. Herron lacks the skills to be a feature back.

Unless a feature back comes free, or TT swings a trade (LOL), or they take someone like Bush or Irons in the 2nd round??? The Packers offense will definitely take a step backward this year.

[Patler]

I wouldn't call Morency a dancer, and I think he runs hard for the size he brings out there, which isn't a lot. With just herron and Morency, they would be in trouble, just like in 2005 when Green and Davenport were both done.

I'm not sure you need a "featured back" who can handle 300+ carries himself. I believe you can be successful splitting carries more equally among the top two, so each gets around 200 carries, provided each brings some big play type capability of some sort, whether speed, power or something. I think Morency can produce in that type of situation, but Herron isn't the other one for it. So in one way or another the Packers need another back who is good for around 200 carries. Calhoun might be that type as well, but he isn't what I would like to see paired with Morency. Too similar, with neither being a "complete" back by himself. They would mirror each other, not complement each other.

I also think that a decent (not great) runner or two will be available this summer if the Packers don't get one in the draft.

[falco]

I wouldn't call Morency a dancer, and I think he runs hard for the size he brings out there, which isn't a lot. With just herron and Morency, they would be in trouble, just like in 2005 when Green and Davenport were both done.

I'm not sure you need a "featured back" who can handle 300+ carries himself. I believe you can be successful splitting carries more equally among the top two, so each gets around 200 carries, provided each brings some big play type capability of some sort, whether speed, power or something. I think Morency can produce in that type of situation, but Herron isn't the other one for it. So in one way or another the Packers need another back who is good for around 200 carries. Calhoun might be that type as well, but he isn't what I would like to see paired with Morency. Too similar, with neither being a "complete" back by himself. They would mirror each other, not complement each other.

I also think that a decent (not great) runner or two will be available this summer if the Packers don't get one in the draft.

Just out of curiosity, as I'm not an expert, but are there a lot of backs who take a few years to develop, or is it primarily a position where you make an impact right away?

We hear a lot lately about rookie RB's making big impacts; but how many big name backs took a few years to develop? (I can't think of any, thats why I'm asking)

[Bretsky]

I wouldn't call Morency a dancer, and I think he runs hard for the size he brings out there, which isn't a lot. With just herron and Morency, they would be in trouble, just like in 2005 when Green and Davenport were both done.

I'm not sure you need a "featured back" who can handle 300+ carries himself. I believe you can be successful splitting carries more equally among the top two, so each gets around 200 carries, provided each brings some big play type capability of some sort, whether speed, power or something. I think Morency can produce in that type of situation, but Herron isn't the other one for it. So in one way or another the Packers need another back who is good for around 200 carries. Calhoun might be that type as well, but he isn't what I would like to see paired with Morency. Too similar, with neither being a "complete" back by himself. They would mirror each other, not complement each other.

I also think that a decent (not great) runner or two will be available this summer if the Packers don't get one in the draft.

Just out of curiosity, as I'm not an expert, but are there a lot of backs who take a few years to develop, or is it primarily a position where you make an impact right away?

We hear a lot lately about rookie RB's making big impacts; but how many big name backs took a few years to develop? (I can't think of any, thats why I'm asking)

I'm going to take a stab at this one off rote memory. Of the starting backs in the NFL, here some some who have taken a while to develop

Thomas Jones- He stunk the first couple years with Arizona
Chester Taylor- Backup for several years before getting established
Ahman Green- Holmgren was down on him enough to trade him
Willie Parker- Tutured by Bettis before really stepping it up
Larry Johnson- Was in Vermeil's doghouse before stepping forward; he might have had an immediate impact if she showed a better attitude and was given the chance right away



I WOULD AGREE that RB is a position that many of the top tier RB's have an immediate impact at. Here is a list of backs that had some immeditate success

Lawrence Maroney
Joesph Addai
Willis McGahee
Leon Washington
Edgerrin James
Fred Taylor
Reggie Bush
Duece McCalister
Ladanion Tomlinson
Julius Jones
Clinton Portis
Warrick Dunn
Cadillac Williams
Shaun Alexander
Stephen Jackson

OF SPECIAL MENTION IS NEARLY ALL OF THESE BACKS WERE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS.

[b bulldog]

You forgot the best rookie back in 06, Jones Drew.

[b bulldog]

One negative about R backs is that you know they will hit the wall and when they do, a competent vet would be nice.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think, generally, RBs don't take time to develop. You don't develop running instincts after you get to the professional level. The guys that struggled early and then became good were usually not given an opportunity or were stuck behind crappy OLs.

[Green Bud Packer]

R.B. is one of the few positions that a rookie can have an impact on wins and loses. mac's not worried, i'm not worried.

[b bulldog]

Hopefully the Broncos ZBS trend of having a strong running game with various backs works in GB.

[LEWCWA]

The thing with Turner is he is very intriguing. He would be worth aquiring,but nobody is giving up a first round pick for the guy. He is leaving SD next year and everyone knows it. So if they want to get something for him they will have to trade him for less!

[KYPack]

I wouldn't call Morency a dancer, and I think he runs hard for the size he brings out there, which isn't a lot. With just herron and Morency, they would be in trouble, just like in 2005 when Green and Davenport were both done.

I'm not sure you need a "featured back" who can handle 300+ carries himself. I believe you can be successful splitting carries more equally among the top two, so each gets around 200 carries, provided each brings some big play type capability of some sort, whether speed, power or something. I think Morency can produce in that type of situation, but Herron isn't the other one for it. So in one way or another the Packers need another back who is good for around 200 carries. Calhoun might be that type as well, but he isn't what I would like to see paired with Morency. Too similar, with neither being a "complete" back by himself. They would mirror each other, not complement each other.

I also think that a decent (not great) runner or two will be available this summer if the Packers don't get one in the draft.

Yeah, I think tandems are the wave of the future. But we will need 400 carries out of some combination of backs and Morency had 91 last year. We need 310 more carries out of somebody.

I think it's safe to say, we don't have the troops right now to go into the NFL season. We need a couple more guys who can lug the ball.

[Patler]

Yeah, I think tandems are the wave of the future. But we will need 400 carries out of some combination of backs and Morency had 91 last year. We need 310 more carries out of somebody.

I think it's safe to say, we don't have the troops right now to go into the NFL season. We need a couple more guys who can lug the ball.

Perhaps I wasn't clear. I assumed that Morrency would be good for more carries than he had last season. That's why I suggested two backs at 200 carries each, and that we need another good for about 200 carries. If they go for a guy to give 300+ carries to, they are back to the "featured back/spot duty sub" scenario of last year. That's OK, but I'm not sure it is required.

[MJZiggy]

If this question answers itself in training camp, and needs to be addressed, what are our options then? Will someone else's cutdown casualty be able to handle the ZBS?