This year should be nothing less than playoffs / Superbowl..

[pbmax]

Re: This year should be nothing less than playoffs / Superbo

Wrong in my estimation. Pick any team who came out of nowhere and you will find five years (or more) of top 12 draft picking. If you are thinking of the Lions, its 10 years of top 5.

We are going 8-8, better but tougher schedule.

Why do the "we" the fans expect lower requirements/standards ever since the 4-12 season... Every year this team should be competitive, I realize it needed a year or two to get back from the draft disasters but this year we should be expecting the "SUPERBOWL OR BUST" quotes...

If people say "ohhh it takes 3-4 years to rebuild, we are still rebuilding" are you JOKING?!? Easily with FA and the draft a team can rebound after 2 seasons (the most)...

[CaliforniaCheez]

Re: This year should be nothing less than playoffs / Superbo

Why do the "we" the fans expect lower requirements/standards ever since the 4-12 season... Every year this team should be competitive, I realize it needed a year or two to get back from the draft disasters but this year we should be expecting the "SUPERBOWL OR BUST" quotes...

If people say "ohhh it takes 3-4 years to rebuild, we are still rebuilding" are you JOKING?!? Easily with FA and the draft a team can rebound after 2 seasons (the most)...

Please don't be insulted by the example I will give. I am not intending to insult.

If you set your expectations too high and too far in advance you get disappointed. Disappointed in the close victories over mediocre opponents, disappointment with every loss, disappointment with the season record.

Viking fans and publications do this to themselves because every offseason they are greatest team and sure super bowl participant. They ultimately get their feelings hurt and can only cheer for defeat of the Packers. Year after year they engender a bad attitude.

It is better to be wanting a good performance from the team, collecting a W and looking forward to the next week's game. Platoff's?? A good deal because it is an extra game next week.

This type attitude will keep your spirits up, help you enjoy each game, and lessen your disappointment. We all want a Super Bowl but it takes 17 or 18 games to get there. Don't count your victories until they are won.

[SD GB fan]

i agree with calicheez. yes, we are a young team and we are improving. favre is back. there are reasons for hope and stuff. but we should also have a reality check. our schedule was easy last year. id be happy with 8-8 next year, and everything else is a bonus. playoff is definitely a possibility in a weak NFC but dont get too hopeful either. its not a mere 1/4 shot because a season isnt a random toss up. coaching and talent cannot be overlooked. in terms of talent, we are what we should be, which is a 8-8 mediocre team.

[woodbuck27]

-Wins: Detroit Miami Arizona, Minnesota San Fransisco Detroit Minnesota Chicago.

-Loses: Chicago, New Orleans, Phili, Saint Louis, Buffalo New England Seattle, New York.

Times we blew someone out (more than 10 points): 4 times, Detroit, Miami, Arizona, Chicago

Times we got blown out by someone (more than 10 points): 6 times, Chicago, Phili, Buffalo, New England, New york.

We can blame the philly blowout on Carroll ... He was still on the team

As I recall that game.

We were simply out-classed in the second half. Donovan McNabb stepped up.

Yes Ahmad Carroll had a very poor outing and paid a price as a result.

[ND72]

ND, what is your outlook for the Irish in 07? I think 8-8 will be the Packers record in 07 but I think they are close to being a playoff caliber team in the pathetic NFC, that isn't saying much.

The Irish will struggle. I think they'll beat the teams they should, cause they do have some soft teams on the schedule, but they're not good team.

Green Bay? I just don't know. I want them to do well, but I just don't think we're there yet. I still pictured 2008-2009 season as the season we really come into our own again.

[wist43]

Not only do I not expect us to make the playoffs, I expect us to have a losing record. If we didn't play the 49ers, Lions, Vikings, and Bears to end the year, I don't think we even make 8-8. We're all blinded by shit ass teams at the end of the year. We weren't a playoff team. Sorry. We're not close to a playoff team yet either. And being in the NFC, that means something.

I agree with this - but...

I think TT has improved the roster enough, that with some key FA additions (yeah, I know), some improved play from the youngsters, and Favre have an all-pro year - they could possibly make a run at the playoffs.

The NFC is pathetic, and the NFC North is one of the worst divisions in all of football...

Long term, after Favre leaves, the Packers will flounder around for years until they find his heir apparent... it ain't Rodgers.

[woodbuck27]

I believe that Favre gives us the best QB in the NFCN.

I believe that OUR OL will improve in 2007.

I believe that Bubba Franks will make plays in 2007.

I believe that DD,G.Jennings and R.Martin are a decent core of WR's.

I believe that we need help at RB. That somehow it would be prudent for Ted Thompson to address that weakness as a priority on 'O' in this off season.

[swede]

I will be looking for improved play from young players and contributions from another set of rooks in 2007.

I will not be looking for the playoffs just yet.

A losing record in 2008 loses TT his job, but I don't think we'll be mediocre in 2008.

[Patler]

ND, what is your outlook for the Irish in 07? I think 8-8 will be the Packers record in 07 but I think they are close to being a playoff caliber team in the pathetic NFC, that isn't saying much.

The Irish will struggle. I think they'll beat the teams they should, cause they do have some soft teams on the schedule, but they're not good team.

Green Bay? I just don't know. I want them to do well, but I just don't think we're there yet. I still pictured 2008-2009 season as the season we really come into our own again.

Agree and Agree.

ND is starting over, especially on offense. Not only at QB, also at TE, line, WR and RB. All the top guys are gone. Following the Claussen soap opera as it actually unfolds will be interesting. The media circus around his signing two years ago was stupid. The graduations on defense aren't as significant. They weren't a good defensive team anyway!

GB's "turnaround" can hardly be predicted at this point, but at best is 2008. If the replacement for Favre is not on the roster now, any resurgence is completely in limbo pending finding a replacement. Both lines, offensive and defensive could be very good by then, as well as the LBs. That would be a very solid base upon which to build.

[cheesner]

Re: This year should be nothing less than playoffs / Superbo

. . . We all want a Super Bowl but it takes 17 or 18 games to get there. Don't count your victories until they are won.

Well put Cali. Fans can be so fickle. Last season they were calling for TT and MM to be fired - even in the preseason. At one point they were still clamoring for their dismissal and within a month it was talk about how we were going to make the playoffs. You really have to keep a level head and look realistically at the team.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: This year should be nothing less than playoffs / Superbo

Fans can be so fickle.

Great post.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: This year should be nothing less than playoffs / Superbo

Fans can be so fickle.

That post sucked.

[The Shadow]

Re: This year should be nothing less than playoffs / Superbo

[quote="packers11")

If people say "ohhh it takes 3-4 years to rebuild, we are still rebuilding" are you JOKING?!? Easily with FA and the draft a team can rebound after 2 seasons (the most)...[/quote]

I guess I'm one of those people.
To build a team that contends for the long haul, you need to build a solid foundation, and that takes time.
I have no problem whatsoever with a 3-4 year program, if the team consistently shows progress.
I think the progress of the Packers has been significant & noticeable.

[wist43]

Re: This year should be nothing less than playoffs / Superbo

[quote=The Shadow][quote="packers11")

If people say "ohhh it takes 3-4 years to rebuild, we are still rebuilding" are you JOKING?!? Easily with FA and the draft a team can rebound after 2 seasons (the most)...

I guess I'm one of those people.
To build a team that contends for the long haul, you need to build a solid foundation, and that takes time.
I have no problem whatsoever with a 3-4 year program, if the team consistently shows progress.
I think the progress of the Packers has been significant & noticeable.[/quote]


A couple of points Shadow...

1) After Favre retires they will be incapable of "contending" simply b/c they utilize an offensive system that is completely dependent upon having a top flight QB manage every facet of the game, on every play. No QB = No SB.

I use Denver as an example... they had an overall team that could contend, but no QB; hence, they were never really a threat to win it all. Now that they have Cutler, assuming he grows into the type of QB that I think he can be, I now consider them contenders again.

2) TT will never make a big enough splash in FA to vault the Packers back into contending status quickly. He will build thru the draft, and it will take at least a few years for his draft classes to develop - with the hope that key players w/in those drafts mature, and blossom into bonefide players all at the same time.

But again, post-Favre... what chance do they have with no QB???

I think the answer is obvious - none.

I think TT can build a decent, lower etchelon calibur playoff team - but, w/o a QB, they'll never be contenders.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: This year should be nothing less than playoffs / Superbo

I use Denver as an example... they had an overall team that could contend, but no QB; hence, they were never really a threat to win it all. Now that they have Cutler, assuming he grows into the type of QB that I think he can be, I now consider them contenders again.

QB my ass. Denver has been snake bit since the day they traded for he who shall remain nameless. They are cursed.