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Ok, this thread has nothing to do with Moss anymore...perhaps it's becoming the anti Moss rumor thread. The thread to kill Moss rumors.Comment
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or perhaps alot of people are sick to death of the same old BS posts coming from the same bitter people and are trying to inject some life back into to forum?Originally posted by 3irty1Comment
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Makes one almost miss the Javon Walker talk, eh? err, ok maybe notOriginally posted by ZoolComment
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Or the Sherman firing?Originally posted by 3irty1Comment
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Or if Favre is retiring !Comment
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STOP THE INSANITYOriginally posted by 3irty1Comment
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Originally posted by esoxx
If you truly believe that the wonderlic score accurately reflects a player's mental makeup, then there isn't much point in responding. But I think you're smarter than that.
There are many mental aspects to the game that do not show up on a 50-question intelligence quiz: leadership, competitiveness and game awareness are just a few, and all of which Marino and Young have (or had) which make them better players than indicated by the overrated wonderlic.
My concern about Russell is that all the superlatives seem to be about his physical traits such as height, weight and arm, rather than these mental traits that are the hallmarks of a winning QB. This makes him a huge bust risk, IMO. It happens all the time ... people fall in love with a guy's measurables, and they fail to take into account the intangibles.Comment
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As for JaMarcus Russell being athletic, I just read somewhere (one of the draft expert sites) that he ran a horrible 40 time and is being compared to Byron Leftwich right now. The Raiders would be better off trading for Aaron Rodgers and Byron Leftwich and letting the two of them duel it out and then draft Calvin Johnson who is the best player in this draft. I hope they don't do this because I want them to suck forever.Comment
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Originally posted by retailguyIf you're in Ted's backfield, I really don't want to know.Originally posted by PartialAs opposed to a sarcastic remark about the backfield situation and TTOriginally posted by retailguy
Another Shermtard comment.Comment
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If you consider high 4.7s for a 6'6 260 pound QB, then he did run horrible. Anybody who has watched the two play can tell Russell is considerably faster than Leftwich.Originally posted by jmbarnes101"There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
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Originally posted by the_idle_threatOriginally posted by esoxx
If you truly believe that the wonderlic score accurately reflects a player's mental makeup, then there isn't much point in responding. But I think you're smarter than that.
There are many mental aspects to the game that do not show up on a 50-question intelligence quiz: leadership, competitiveness and game awareness are just a few, and all of which Marino and Young have (or had) which make them better players than indicated by the overrated wonderlic.
My concern about Russell is that all the superlatives seem to be about his physical traits such as height, weight and arm, rather than these mental traits that are the hallmarks of a winning QB. This makes him a huge bust risk, IMO. It happens all the time ... people fall in love with a guy's measurables, and they fail to take into account the intangibles.
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Now you're talking about intangibles like leadership, competitveness and game awareness... Where have you seen Russell not display these qualities at LSU?
I agree you simply can't focus on measurables for QB's, just like any position. But let's not pretend having a cannon arm and good size is to be so easily dismissed and even be cause for a "red flag."
It STARTS there, with pro caliber type measurables. Then the challenge is for that prospect to grasp the mental aspect of the pro game to take advantage of those good genetics.
That's why you rarely see QB's under 6' in the NFL. For all the brains, moxy, smarts, instinct, leadership skills, production and competitiveness Doug Flutie displayed, he was bannished to the CFL for years where he toiled in obscurity. I wonder why that was?
Ty Detmer was one of the most cerebral QB's I've ever seen but his highly productive college career only translated into a career backup QB at the next level. If he had the arm and size he would have been a monster in the pro game.
What you can't teach a 5'10" QB with a rag arm is how to be 6'6" and throw a deep out on a line. There is no upside potential in that scenario.
In essence, if you don't have certain measurables you just aren't going to factor in the NFL.
Could Russell be a huge bust? Absolutely. There are no guarantees with ANY player. But you see the measurables and he has what's needed from a physical standpoint. You just hope like hell he can grasp the pro game.
But really, doesn't it always boil down to that? Aaron Rodgers is very intelligent, showed excellent leadership and game mgmt skills at Cal. Yet, he has struggled with the speed of the NFL game, often locking on to his first read and then bolting from the pocket in a panic.
I'd take a chance on DeMarcus Russell and his skill set versus Danny Weurffel and his "intangibles."
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I think we can call BS on this rumor. Its hard to have a press conference when TT.... IS OUT OF TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Comment
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I was talking about intangibles all along.
The was for your strawman wonderlic argument. And here's another for you strawman argument about physical tools being irrelevant.
All I'm saying is that "tall with a strong arm" may be a general baseline (although Drew Brees and Chad Pennington might have something to say about that), but it doesn't make really tall with a really strong arm so much better that the guy should be considered a #1 overall pick. There are diminishing returns on the physical characteristics.
The true mark of a winning quarterback is in the intangibles, which we seem to agree are important.
My concern about Russell is that the scouting reports and draftniks seem to focus on his size and arm strength and say very little about his intangibles. Every year, a guy shoots up the charts because of physical tools, and intangibles are virtually ignored. I think it is happening with Russell this year. Just my opinion.Comment
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Can we stop with the now?
Actually, I owe you about three of them. There.
All even steven now.
You have your ideal QB prospect, I have mine.
Let me know where Chris Leak goes in this draft.
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