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  • Packers PASS on Free Agency--JS

    Packers take a pass
    Team adds just one player during free agency
    By BOB McGINN

    bmcginn@journalsentinel.com
    Posted: March 18, 2007

    Green Bay - Minus Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett, the Green Bay Packers' defense would have been far less effective last season.

    If general manager Ted Thompson hadn't agree to pay market value or even above market value, Woodson and Pickett would have been playing for other teams and the Packers might have had to start Ahmad Carroll for another season at cornerback and a lesser player at defensive tackle.

    Sometimes bidding wars are the way to go. But the Packers, flush with about $21 million in cap room, have spent the first three weeks backing away from one bidding war after another.

    That has been the story of their off-season.

    Since the signing and trading periods opened March 2, a total of 108 players have changed teams via unrestricted free agency (76), restricted free agency (three), "street" free agency (18) and trades (11). The National Football League average is 3.38 new players per team.

    Two teams, Chicago and San Diego, haven't added a player. They also had the top two records of any team in 2006.

    Green Bay, which signed cornerback Frank Walker for $1.24 million over one year, is one of seven teams with just one newcomer. The others are Baltimore, Carolina, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, the New York Giants and Pittsburgh. All of those teams except Cincinnati have been to the Super Bowl this decade.

    Tampa Bay leads with nine newcomers, followed with Cleveland with eight, Denver with seven and New England and San Francisco, each with six.

    Often, agents for leading free agents were called by pro scouts Reggie McKenzie and John Schneider. In effect, the agents were told that the Packers wanted to be in the game but wondered what the stakes would be.

    When that word was brought back to Thompson, most of the time he took a pass.

    "We're not going to just go through life with our head in the sand," Thompson said. "We're turning over rocks. We're looking. But I'm kind of OK with our guys."

    Said one agent: "After talking to them I couldn't help but wonder. What are they going to do with the money? You've got to spend 85% of it. They've got to restructure a lot of guys to eat it up."

    Probably Thompson's most important decision was letting Houston out-bid the Packers for running back Ahman Green. The Packers viewed Green as a two-year proposition and the Texans saw him as a three- or four-year player, which appealed to him.

    In the end, Green signed a four-year, $23 million deal that will pay him $18M in the first three years. At the end, Thompson made a competitive but shorter term offer that wasn't as good as Houston's and Green called his bluff.

    The Packers had put in one of those cursory calls after Tennessee's Travis Henry was waived. But Thompson never pursued Henry, who went to Denver for $22.5M over five years ($12.5M guaranteed).

    Green Bay never showed any interest in Jamal Lewis, who after being cut by Baltimore signed with Cleveland for $3.5M over one year; Indianapolis' Dominic Rhodes, who went to Oakland for $7.5M over two years; or Washington's T.J. Duckett, who went to Detroit for one year at about $1.5M.

    Three days after Green left, the Packers cut backfield-mate William Henderson and looked for a new fullback.

    A source said that Packers had some interest in Baltimore's Ovie Mughelli but backed away from the bidding process that landed him a six-year, $18M deal from Atlanta. The Packers then brought in former Falcon fullback Justin Griffith for a visit.

    There's no question that Green Bay wanted Griffith, but only at its price. When Oakland offered $3.8M over three years, considerably more than what the Packers want to pay him, Griffith took it.

    At wide receiver, the Packers had targeted St. Louis' Kevin Curtis for months because of his deep speed. Curtis visited five teams but not Green Bay, which never got in the running. His six-year deal with Philadelphia was worth $32M.

    After New Orleans cut Joe Horn on March 1, the Packers decided to go after him. They even had a visit set up with Horn but Falcons owner Arthur Blank wouldn't let Horn leave. His four-year deal, worth $19M with escalators, contained $4M in bonuses this year.

    "Joe's main interest up there was (Mike) McCarthy because he likes him so much," agent Ralph Vitolo said. "They talked, by phone. I think Joe was disappointed he didn't have a chance to go up there and see the facilities and talk to McCarthy."

    Although Vitolo never exchanged proposals with negotiator Andrew Brandt, his expectations were that the Packers would have made a blockbuster offer.

    "I think they probably would have gone out close to Atlanta if not above it because they had more money to work with," Vitolo said.

    But Vitolo would have found out differently. The Packers weren't prepared to offer Horn anywhere close to what he received in Atlanta.

    Much the same situation occurred with San Diego linebacker Donnie Edwards, who knew McCarthy from the late 1990s in Kansas City. They also talked by telephone before Edwards, 33, went back to the Chiefs for about $13.5M over three years. The Packers had no intention of offering him anything close to that.

    Despite losing tight end David Martin, the Packers didn't show any interest in New England's Daniel Graham, former Dolphin Randy McMichael and San Francisco's Eric Johnson. They all found new teams within a week.

    The best safety on the board, Jacksonville's Deon Grant, went to Seattle for $31.8M over six years. Green Bay made a cursory call and that was about it.

    On Saturday, Green Bay could have blown away Kansas City's modest one-year offer to retain defensive lineman Jimmy Wilkerson. Instead, the Packers offered almost comparable money and he went back to the Chiefs.

    Given that another 61 players are off the market due to re-signings since March 2, what's left?

    "What we're dealing with now is backups," an NFC pro scout said Friday before planning to spend his week watching more tape. "We're trying to find a bottom feeder that looks like he's got a chance."

    The Packers probably will sign a few veterans before the draft. Just don't expect anything like the seven-year, $39M deal Woodson received on April 26 unless the Raiders cut wide receiver Randy Moss.
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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    Re: Packers PASS on Free Agency--JS

    Originally posted by Bretsky
    Packers take a pass
    Team adds just one player during free agency
    By BOB McGINN


    Thompson said. . "But I'm kind of OK with our guys."

    Now that's the kind of talk that gets me fired up!

    Go Pack Go, OK in '07 or bust! Kind of.

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    • #3
      Said one agent: "After talking to them I couldn't help but wonder. What are they going to do with the money? You've got to spend 85% of it. They've got to restructure a lot of guys to eat it up."


      Hard to hear this.

      And yes, I know the TT apologists will outline how the draft is the way to build up a team; I'd agree.

      But use all avenues; anybody who thinks our road to success is draft only is just as full of it as one who thinks we should max out our cap right now with free agents.
      TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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      • #4
        Re: Packers PASS on Free Agency--JS

        Originally posted by esoxx
        Originally posted by Bretsky
        Packers take a pass
        Team adds just one player during free agency
        By BOB McGINN


        Thompson said. . "But I'm kind of OK with our guys."

        Now that's the kind of talk that gets me fired up!

        Go Pack Go, OK in '07 or bust! Kind of.

        BADGERS ARE DONE NOW

        TIME TO FOCUS ON THE PACKERS

        FRUSTRATING ARTICLE
        TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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        • #5
          There's no question that Green Bay wanted Griffith, but only at its price. When Oakland offered $3.8M over three years, considerably more than what the Packers want to pay him, Griffith took it.



          HARD TO READ THIS; 3 YEARS FOR 3.8 MILLION WHEN WE HAVE OVER 20 MIL UNDER THE CAP ???
          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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          • #6
            Re: Packers PASS on Free Agency--JS

            Originally posted by Bretsky
            Packers take a pass
            Team adds just one player during free agency
            By BOB McGINN

            bmcginn@journalsentinel.com
            Posted: March 18, 2007

            ...
            Said one agent: "After talking to them I couldn't help but wonder. What are they going to do with the money? You've got to spend 85% of it. They've got to restructure a lot of guys to eat it up."
            That just goes to show you how dumb agents can talk.
            The Packers current salary cap # is somewhere around $88 million, which in the offseason includes only the 51 highest value contracts.
            85% of $109 million is $92.65 million.
            Which means the Packers have to spend $4.65 more before the end of the season to meet the minimum requirements.

            Their rookie contracts will take a substantial portion of that.
            The two additional players to fill the roster will add at least $1/2 million.
            You can count on at least a couple players to go on IR, costing 1/2 million to several million, depending on the cost of replacements and the weeks they are needed for.

            The Packers will exceed the minimum just doing what they HAVE to do.

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            • #7
              Bretsky; you are a mortgage officer, aren't you?
              Do you advise people to pay more than a house is really worth, just because they would like to have a house?

              Its the same for "buying" players. Don't spend more than the player is worth, and look for a good deal, if you can,

              Why spend more than you want to now, to get someone you want at a lesser cost? If you do, at some point in the future you will have less money to spend when there are players you REALLY want, or need.

              Pay the rookies.
              Renew Barnett with a somewhat front-loaded deal.
              Renew Cory Williams with a somewhat front-loaded deal.
              Have cap room available next year and the years after to have the freedom to sign FAs, re-sign your own, etc.
              .

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bretsky
                ........the TT apologists.................

                Oh here we go again.

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                • #9


                  Dear lord. Make it stop. None of us should lose any sleep over this. It shouldnt be a big enough deal to get mad that the football team you follow isnt doing what you agree with.

                  Its time to take a step back and look around. At the end of the day, its just football.


                  (ducking..............now)
                  Originally posted by 3irty1
                  This is museum quality stupidity.

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                  • #10
                    Zool and Patler are spot on. I simply do not care.

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                    • #11
                      I just hope we pluck up Ken Hamlin.

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                      • #12
                        The FA class this year kind of sucks, I don't want TT to overpay a player just to get under the cap, that would be stupid. Frank Walker was a good deal, great speed, good KR. I could see TT going after Hamlin for the right price.
                        Thanks Ted!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Patler
                          Bretsky; you are a mortgage officer, aren't you?
                          Do you advise people to pay more than a house is really worth, just because they would like to have a house?

                          Its the same for "buying" players. Don't spend more than the player is worth, and look for a good deal, if you can,

                          Why spend more than you want to now, to get someone you want at a lesser cost? If you do, at some point in the future you will have less money to spend when there are players you REALLY want, or need.

                          Pay the rookies.
                          Renew Barnett with a somewhat front-loaded deal.
                          Renew Cory Williams with a somewhat front-loaded deal.
                          Have cap room available next year and the years after to have the freedom to sign FAs, re-sign your own, etc.
                          .
                          Well, I do not advise much; I discuss options for what clients are looking at doing.

                          People pay fair market value based on the going supply and demand. And they get what they pay for. If they are willing to pass up on the nicer homes most people show interest in and look at homes with flaws or some type of deficiencies that make them less popular, then they will find a deal.................either TT is doing this or he's completely ingoring free agency and doesn't want a home.

                          What you advocated may give us a greater chance at success down the road, but not near term. And down the road when Favre is gone the space may not matter as much anyways when we are transitioning to a new QB.

                          And I'm not convinced any of us know who is being overpaid and who is not right now; the scope of this market has changed with the rising cap and we won't really know which approach is correct for a few years.

                          OK, I'm done now; sorry for bringing old news up; I've been trying to avoid this by putting my heart into the Badgers.


                          Cheers,
                          B
                          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Partial
                            Zool and Patler are spot on. I simply do not care.

                            You guys are probably right, and not caring is probably the best medicine at this point. There is still time.
                            TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                            • #15
                              Interesting; they changed the title of the article at JS to

                              "Packers Neutral in Bidding War"


                              McGinn has to love that when they make things more politically correct
                              TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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