Barnett Contract Extension Update

[Rastak]

When I watch the two play, Vilma sticks out and makes plays. Nick doesn't seem to do so.

Maybe you watched his good games. Statistics show these two are virtually identical in every "big play" category. Could Vilma be making all of his tackles at the line of scrimmage or something like that? Possibly, but doubtful since the Jets were pathetic against the run the last two years. Way worse than Green Bay in rushing yards/game and yards/rush in each of the last two seasons.

When his anti-Viking bias isn't in full force, you should bever doubt Harvey's analysis!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Like I said, I'd take Vilma. However, I've read scouting reports this offseason that the Jets weren't thrilled with Vilma's play, and a lot of people think he doesn't fit their new scheme. Like any player, a lot of how he does is predicated on the scheme and the guys around him. I don't think either guy is a Shawne Merriman game changer.

[packerbacker1234]

It's time I finally shut you the hell up for thinking barnett is a subpar to mediocre MLB at best. It's all in the numbers.

Urlacher
2006 - 93:UT 49:Assisted 0:sacks 0:int 0:forced fumble 1:fumble recovery

Barnett
2006 - 88:UT 53:Assisted 2:sacks 2:int (can't find forced fumble and fumble recovery stats)

Ok, so combined, barnett had ONE LESS tackle then Urlacher. Urlacher had one fumble recovery, where as BARNETT HAD 2 INTS and 2 SACKS.

DIfference between the two? Urlacher went to the probowl, barnett didn't. I could go through stats like this for EVERY YEAR barnett and urlacher have been in the league together.

SO either A: Urlacher is Overrated and sucks balls since apperently barnett sucks or B: Your totally being biased to the guy just because he doesn't have a probowl.

And whats funny is, with Hawk on the team, barnetts stats are even LESS then they use to be. Meaning, if you look at the numbers, barnett had better numbers then urlacher almost every year.

Event his year, technically speaking, barnett has a better probowl resume then urlacher.

So whats my point? STFU about barnet not deserving his pay day and being mediocre at best. Not too many one armed linebackers would of done what barnett did last year. It's in the numbers and I bring to you all plain old fashion facts. Argue all you want, you can't argue with results. Thats what barnett has been bringing this defense for years.


*To note, barnett missed one game too, yet still has better probowl stats then urlacher. Ironic. Urlacher has name recognition, barnett does not. Stop hating.



So Barnett had a down year? Then i guess Urlacher had a horrid year. Wait urlacher was probowl no? Thats what I thought. Anyone, and i mean ANYONE, who is stupid enough to not think barnett is a topt tier elite mlb needs to be shot. He has stats that are compariable and often times BETTER then one of the BEST MLB IN THE GAME. It's all in the numbers my friends.

[RashanGary]

Urlacher is overrated but he doesn't "suck balls" he is an overrtaed big city player who makes the probowl deservedly but is not the greatest LB in teh game like the media make him out to be.

VERY good player IMO. Not a great one.

I think Merriman is a GREAT player, a true dominate defender of this time.

[the_idle_threat]

It's time I finally shut you the hell up for thinking barnett is a subpar to mediocre MLB at best. It's all in the numbers.

Urlacher
2006 - 93:UT 49:Assisted 0:sacks 0:int 0:forced fumble 1:fumble recovery

Barnett
2006 - 88:UT 53:Assisted 2:sacks 2:int (can't find forced fumble and fumble recovery stats)

Ok, so combined, barnett had ONE LESS tackle then Urlacher. Urlacher had one fumble recovery, where as BARNETT HAD 2 INTS and 2 SACKS.

DIfference between the two? Urlacher went to the probowl, barnett didn't. I could go through stats like this for EVERY YEAR barnett and urlacher have been in the league together.

SO either A: Urlacher is Overrated and sucks balls since apperently barnett sucks or B: Your totally being biased to the guy just because he doesn't have a probowl.

And whats funny is, with Hawk on the team, barnetts stats are even LESS then they use to be. Meaning, if you look at the numbers, barnett had better numbers then urlacher almost every year.

Event his year, technically speaking, barnett has a better probowl resume then urlacher.

So whats my point? STFU about barnet not deserving his pay day and being mediocre at best. Not too many one armed linebackers would of done what barnett did last year. It's in the numbers and I bring to you all plain old fashion facts. Argue all you want, you can't argue with results. Thats what barnett has been bringing this defense for years.


*To note, barnett missed one game too, yet still has better probowl stats then urlacher. Ironic. Urlacher has name recognition, barnett does not. Stop hating.



So Barnett had a down year? Then i guess Urlacher had a horrid year. Wait urlacher was probowl no? Thats what I thought. Anyone, and i mean ANYONE, who is stupid enough to not think barnett is a topt tier elite mlb needs to be shot. He has stats that are compariable and often times BETTER then one of the BEST MLB IN THE GAME. It's all in the numbers my friends.

You get an "A" in the passion category, but at whom are you directing this diatribe?

Also, the numbers don't "lie," but they also don't measure leadership. Barnett's version of leadership is doing that "look at me" ballerina dance after a TFL. Bleccch!

That being said, I do think he's a very good linebacker (even if not All-Pro) and he's a pretty good team guy, so I'm glad they paid him.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Who cares if he does a dance? Look around the NFL and you'll see a large percentage do. It's been that way for about 20 years now. It bothered me at first when players started doing it, but I've gotten over it. If it fires up the team, then so be it. It's not like it's taking a lot of energy away from him. I actually have come to enjoy some of the dances--like Steve Smith's love boat and most of Chad Johnson's stuff. The stuff I don't like is that unsportsmanlike stuff (e.g. Terrell Owens stomping on the Dallas star or sticking the ball out at an opposing player as your prancing across the endzone).

[Zool]

I dont have a problem with the celebrations, so much as Barnett's celebration is lllllaaaaaaaaaaame

[Rastak]

Who cares if he does a dance? Look around the NFL and you'll see a large percentage do. It's been that way for about 20 years now. It bothered me at first when players started doing it, but I've gotten over it. If it fires up the team, then so be it. It's not like it's taking a lot of energy away from him. I actually have come to enjoy some of the dances--like Steve Smith's love boat and most of Chad Johnson's stuff. The stuff I don't like is that unsportsmanlike stuff (e.g. Terrell Owens stomping on the Dallas star or sticking the ball out at an opposing player as your prancing across the endzone).

I absolutely hate that stuff. Not just Green Bay but all 32 teams.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Who cares if he does a dance? Look around the NFL and you'll see a large percentage do. It's been that way for about 20 years now. It bothered me at first when players started doing it, but I've gotten over it. If it fires up the team, then so be it. It's not like it's taking a lot of energy away from him. I actually have come to enjoy some of the dances--like Steve Smith's love boat and most of Chad Johnson's stuff. The stuff I don't like is that unsportsmanlike stuff (e.g. Terrell Owens stomping on the Dallas star or sticking the ball out at an opposing player as your prancing across the endzone).

I absolutely hate that stuff. Not just Green Bay but all 32 teams.

Might as well get used to it, the NFL is getting younger, not older.

[packerbacker1234]

It's time I finally shut you the hell up for thinking barnett is a subpar to mediocre MLB at best. It's all in the numbers.

Urlacher
2006 - 93:UT 49:Assisted 0:sacks 0:int 0:forced fumble 1:fumble recovery

Barnett
2006 - 88:UT 53:Assisted 2:sacks 2:int (can't find forced fumble and fumble recovery stats)

Ok, so combined, barnett had ONE LESS tackle then Urlacher. Urlacher had one fumble recovery, where as BARNETT HAD 2 INTS and 2 SACKS.

DIfference between the two? Urlacher went to the probowl, barnett didn't. I could go through stats like this for EVERY YEAR barnett and urlacher have been in the league together.

SO either A: Urlacher is Overrated and sucks balls since apperently barnett sucks or B: Your totally being biased to the guy just because he doesn't have a probowl.

And whats funny is, with Hawk on the team, barnetts stats are even LESS then they use to be. Meaning, if you look at the numbers, barnett had better numbers then urlacher almost every year.

Event his year, technically speaking, barnett has a better probowl resume then urlacher.

So whats my point? STFU about barnet not deserving his pay day and being mediocre at best. Not too many one armed linebackers would of done what barnett did last year. It's in the numbers and I bring to you all plain old fashion facts. Argue all you want, you can't argue with results. Thats what barnett has been bringing this defense for years.


*To note, barnett missed one game too, yet still has better probowl stats then urlacher. Ironic. Urlacher has name recognition, barnett does not. Stop hating.



So Barnett had a down year? Then i guess Urlacher had a horrid year. Wait urlacher was probowl no? Thats what I thought. Anyone, and i mean ANYONE, who is stupid enough to not think barnett is a topt tier elite mlb needs to be shot. He has stats that are compariable and often times BETTER then one of the BEST MLB IN THE GAME. It's all in the numbers my friends.

You get an "A" in the passion category, but at whom are you directing this diatribe?

Also, the numbers don't "lie," but they also don't measure leadership. Barnett's version of leadership is doing that "look at me" ballerina dance after a TFL. Bleccch!

That being said, I do think he's a very good linebacker (even if not All-Pro) and he's a pretty good team guy, so I'm glad they paid him.

Oh yeah, his leadership blows. Thats why when hodge was in there the whole defense virtually sucked ballz, then barnett came back and suddenly there good again., He is an excellent leader and him celebrating something good happening pumps the defense up. SO what if they were destroyed earlier in the game, that doesn't mean the passion goes away.

And like someone said, Urlacher goes to the probowl deservingly. I wont argue that, HOWEVER, if you want to go off deserving, I showed the numbers. WHy is barnett not in the probowl? Name recognition. WHent he bears sucked for so long, urlacher was the only good player they had so the media blew him up. Barnett joined an already good packers team so the media didn't blow him up. Hence he hasn't made a probowl

[RashanGary]

This is a 6 year 35 million dollar deal right? That roughly 5.8 million dollars per year.

Let's put this in perspective a little:

Nate Clements - A 27 year old borderline probowl CB just signed for 8 years and 80 MILLION dollars. That is 10 million per year with 26 up front.

EJ Henderson - An average at best LB was recently signed by a rival team for 5 years and 25 million with 10 million gauranteed. Henderson has never made the probowl and I feel pretty comfortable syaing that he never will. WE play him 2 times per year for the last 4 years and he's never made a play to my recollection.


There are 3 markets:

The Unrestricted Market
The Restricted Market AND
The "I Want Mine Early" Market

The goal of a GM is to draft well so you can avoid the overpriced UFA market. This is just another example of how teams who draft well become dominate. We just have to get more than 2 players a year to resign this way (we need to draft better *shermans gone*) and we'll be competive even without Favre.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Henderson was pretty solid this year, but I think it's safe to say that Barnett has had a better career to this point, and I think he has better potential from here on out. I think Barnett's deal was a fair deal for the market, and Henderson's was pretty fair also. I'd probably take Barnett for $5.8M/year over Henderson for $5M/year, but it's pretty close.

[Rastak]

Henderson was pretty solid this year, but I think it's safe to say that Barnett has had a better career to this point, and I think he has better potential from here on out. I think Barnett's deal was a fair deal for the market, and Henderson's was pretty fair also. I'd probably take Barnett for $5.8M/year over Henderson for $5M/year, but it's pretty close.

Completely agree on your points.


edit: Maybe I'm not 100% sure on the potential comment....but Samurai Nick has been better for sure....

[RashanGary]

Harvey,

What do you think of hte UFA market, the RFA market and the "I want mine early market" Do you think that Barnett got the same $$ that he would have on the UFA market? If you believe that then you should want our GM fired because there is absolutely no reason for a team ot give a player an early contract without a discount.

Barnett is a steal in relation to Clements and the OL guys who got 50 mil plus this off season. I agree that it is closer to the Henderson deal as far as fairness but in relation to the market as of late it's very hard to call Barnetts deal "market value" when the market is set so much higher as of late.

[RashanGary]

Eric Steinbech got 50 mil
Leonard Davis got 50 mil


I don't think Barnett's deal was fair market. I think it's very much a discount and overtime as things inflate it will look even better.