Tank?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

First of all, Arrington wasn't even interested in GB until we had $19 mil left. Subtract $5 mil for rookies and we have $14 mil. Arrington signed for (about) $5 mil per year (at current deal). That would put Woodson and Arrington at $15.5 mil. I must change my statement a bit, we COULD have gotten them both if we prorated part of Woodson's cap number. Still, we're mortgaging the future again.

Again, the Redskins have been “mortgaging” their future for years now and every off season, they continue to overpay players. No cap hell in sight for them; shows that they are managing their cap efficiently and signing players to creative, cap-friendly contracts.

If Washington can make it work, and they are subjected to the same salary cap as any other team in the NFL, then there is no reason the Packers couldn’t also.

Unless ofcourse, your GM is shitty.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Julian Peterson: $10 mil (Source: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/footba...8_hawks21.html)
Steve Hutchinson: $13 mil (Source: http://fantasyhockey.usatoday.com/co...535&line=65627)
Terrell Owens: $10 mil (Source:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2374189)

Our $35 mil could have gotten us probably 2 big-name free agents, our draft picks and one or two mid-level FAs. Instead, we got 1 big-name free agent and a bunch of good- to mid-level FA's, including Pickett, Kampman, Henderson, Boerigter, Taylor, and Allen. As you are so fond of pointing out, we went 4-12 last year. We're a little more than 2 guys away from the playoffs. That $10.5 mil you think is so bad for Woodson looks like it's pretty much in line with what other FA's are receiving, and these guys, again, have more guaranteed money in the future.

Singing bonus total of the players you mentioned {Peterson, Hutchinson, Owens): 33 mil; say Woodson’s is 10 mil; that makes it 40 mil. A few years ago Daniel Snider handed out almost $100 mil in signing bonuses to a free agent class, the one that included Deion Sanders. Years later, the Redskins’ cap is still in good condition, as is evident by their constant signing of big time players”

Do you know that SB are pro-rated into 5 years?

Yeah, only an inefficient and dull GM could have “gotten us probably 2 big-name free agents.” And that GM is Ted Thompson.

[Tarlam!]

How many Super Bowls have the skins had in the last 5 years again, Tank?

[Anti-Polar Bear]

You're right. Johnson was signed for a $6 mil SB with about $3 mil. Then what happened? He got injured, was cut, and we had to pay him a lot of money for a couple of years when he wasn't on the team. It's the same reason we're paying Hunt $3.6 mil this year. IF SHERMAN HADN'T SIGNED ALL THESE GUYS TO BACKLOADED CONTRACTS WE WOULD HAVE HAD ENOUGH CAP ROOM TO RE-SIGN WAHLE OR RIVERA LAST YEAR, INSTEAD WE WERE LOCKED DOWN WITH NO CAP ROOM TO WORK WITH.



There WAS enough money to resign Wahle. After cutting Wahle and Sharper, Thompson had $7.5 mil available. Wahle signed a contract with Carolina that includes 11.5 mil in SB. $12 mil would’ve been enough to lure the OG back. The cheap polar bear withdrew from the competition after he heard about the 11.5 mil. According the NFLPA web site, Wahle base salary last year was 1 mil. Bonus are always prorated, so if Wahle accepted 12 mil SB from the Packers, all things equal, his cap hit in 05 would only be around $3.4 mil. 3.4 mil is less than 7.5 mil. That is just one option.

Logan Mankin could’ve easily replaced Rivera without any setbacks. Thompson chose to draft the football wife instead. Not only that, but he waited until the 5th rd to draft an OG. Wasted a 2nd rounder on a WR named Murphy.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Finally, I challenge you to FIND ME A QUOTE where a player says, SPECIFICALLY, that he doesn't want to play for Thompson. Last time I checked, players are usually pretty indifferent to their GM, they tend to care more about their coach.

$35 mil; team has many holes; only 1 elite FA from another team is signed. Nuff said.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

How many Super Bowls have the skins had in the last 5 years again, Tank?

Sherman mimic ked the Redskins. How many 4-12 seasond did sherman have?

[Scott Campbell]

Backpeddle faster Tank.

[MJZiggy]

First off, it's a moot point because Sherman got FIRED!! Excellent GM's usually don't get FIRED. Secondly, this is NOT the Kool-aid you owe me so PAY UP!!!

[Scott Campbell]

First off, it's a moot point because Sherman got FIRED!! Excellent GM's usually don't get FIRED. Secondly, this is NOT the Kool-aid you owe me so PAY UP!!!

He's ignoring you. I think he doesn't pay off on his bets.

[Tarlam!]

How many Super Bowls have the skins had in the last 5 years again, Tank?

Sherman mimic ked the Redskins. How many 4-12 seasond did sherman have?

As many as he won Super Bowls, Tank.

[KYPack]

First off, it's a moot point because Sherman got FIRED!! Excellent GM's usually don't get FIRED. Secondly, this is NOT the Kool-aid you owe me so PAY UP!!!

He's ignoring you. I think he doesn't pay off on his bets.

Or admit he's wrong.

Basically all Tank does is form half-baked opinions, then spend all his time defending them.

Fer instance, he doesn't really know anything one way or the other whether Thompson is a good GM or a bad GM. He doesn't know enough about pro Football, managing the cap, or managing an NFL roster to have a postiion about Thompson's value to the Pack. All Tank knows is that when he was a teenager, Sherman was the coach and GM of his favorite team, The Packers.

When Sherman was fired from his GM job, Tank attacked the new guy, Thompson. As Tank continues to attack Thompson, because that's all he knows to do.

Tank is on this Forum to create controvery, not provide any information.

That's all he knows to do.

Every village needs an idiot, Tank's ours.

I know Swede and some of the posters like Tank, so I've racheted way down on attacking the boy. I'll only do it when it's needed,

Like now.

[CyclonePackFan]

Julian Peterson: $10 mil (Source: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/footba...8_hawks21.html)
Steve Hutchinson: $13 mil (Source: http://fantasyhockey.usatoday.com/co...535&line=65627)
Terrell Owens: $10 mil (Source:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2374189)

Our $35 mil could have gotten us probably 2 big-name free agents, our draft picks and one or two mid-level FAs. Instead, we got 1 big-name free agent and a bunch of good- to mid-level FA's, including Pickett, Kampman, Henderson, Boerigter, Taylor, and Allen. As you are so fond of pointing out, we went 4-12 last year. We're a little more than 2 guys away from the playoffs. That $10.5 mil you think is so bad for Woodson looks like it's pretty much in line with what other FA's are receiving, and these guys, again, have more guaranteed money in the future.

Singing bonus total of the players you mentioned {Peterson, Hutchinson, Owens): 33 mil; say Woodson’s is 10 mil; that makes it 40 mil. A few years ago Daniel Snider handed out almost $100 mil in signing bonuses to a free agent class, the one that included Deion Sanders. Years later, the Redskins’ cap is still in good condition, as is evident by their constant signing of big time players”

Do you know that SB are pro-rated into 5 years?

Yeah, only an inefficient and dull GM could have “gotten us probably 2 big-name free agents.” And that GM is Ted Thompson.

Tank,

THOSE AREN'T THE SIGNING BONUSES, THEY ARE THE 2006 CAP NUMBERS FOR THOSE PLAYERS. They aren't pro-rated. If you checked my sources, you'd find that those are the cap numbers the players cost THIS YEAR due to BASE SALARY, ROSTER BONUSES, and THIS YEAR'S PORTION OF THE PRO-RATED SIGNING BONUS. The Seahawks are going to pay ANOTHER 8.5 mil to Peterson in pro-rated bonuses/guaranteed money, the Vikings another $1.5 mil in future SB/guaranteed money Owens' number of $10 mil is a $5 mil guaranteed SB THIS YEAR along with a $5 mil base salary. He will get another $8 mil and $7 mil in the next two seasons, respectively.

[CyclonePackFan]

Finally, I challenge you to FIND ME A QUOTE where a player says, SPECIFICALLY, that he doesn't want to play for Thompson. Last time I checked, players are usually pretty indifferent to their GM, they tend to care more about their coach.

$35 mil; team has many holes; only 1 elite FA from another team is signed. Nuff said.

I'm also still waiting on the quote...You asked me to prove my arguements, I took the time, did some research, and backed up my statements. Now I'm asking you to do the same. The door swings both ways. Find me my quote.

[CyclonePackFan]

Sherman, on the other hand, spend money like the Redskins does for 3 years. He made the playoffs all those years. The Packers were competitive and they never went 4-12.

Whats better? Winning or losing?

Sure we won, we got in the playoffs, where it was obvious we were outmatched because we were playing in a weak division. If one or two 4-12 years are the price to pay for making it past the Wild-Card round, that's a sacrifice I'm willing to accept.

This year, Thompson have 35 mil, even though Sherman was a big spender. How is that possible. I mean if Sherman mismanaged the cap, we wouldnt have that much money, would we?[/b]

I refer you to the following salary cap websites:

http://redskins.scout.com/3/salary_cap_chart.html

The Redskins are in trouble next year, they're already $2 mil over the current salary cap for 2007, before rookies. They also got REALLY lucky. Before the new CBA was signed, their cap number was $113 mil, $18 mil OVER the $95 mil cap. Once the new CBA was signed, they were able to push back bonuses and restructure contracts to bring them under the cap with some room to spend. They're avoiding cap hell, but barely.

As for "how could we have this much money if Sherman mismanaged the cap?", I refer you to:

http://members.cox.net/cappage/2005cap.htm

http://members.cox.net/cappage/2006cap.htm

Where was our cap money last year? On the 2005 cap site, check under "Players no longer with team":

Johnson, Joe $3,250,004
Reynolds, Jamal $1,300,000
Sharper, Darren $5,266,666
Wahle, Mike $1,125,000

There's $11 mil that we don't have to pay this year. Add in that the cap went up $17 million from $85.5 mil to $102 mil, and we're at $28 mil. Another $2 mil comes from all the minor players who aren't on the team anymore, bringing us up to about $30 mil. The rest comes from changes in the current player's bonuses. [/quote]

[CyclonePackFan]

I actually have to thank you, Tank, I've learned a lot about the salary cap in the past day.