Barnett Contract Done

[retailguy]

I think some of you guys would be happier if Dan Snyder bought the Packers.

At least until September, when they started playing games.

Isn't there a happy medium, Scott?

couldn't we plug 2 or 3 of the 7 major holes we've got?

Why is that so unreasonable?

[MJZiggy]

The Washington DC Metropolitan area would applaud that loudly.

[RashanGary]

List some SB winners in the last 10 years who did it any other way B...

The Green Bay Packers for one

There was a brand new CBA in place and teams at that time didn't know how to respond to free agency. During that era, more than any other there were quality FA's in bundles and Wolf was the type of GM who was aggressive in a way that proved to be effective during that era.

I don't believe Wolf would be successfull in todays NFL as Sherman took a similar approach and stripped our team of depth and talent over the course of 3 years.

That is why I said 10 years because the 11th was the one and only exception to the rule.

[Scott Campbell]

I think some of you guys would be happier if Dan Snyder bought the Packers.

At least until September, when they started playing games.

Isn't there a happy medium, Scott?

couldn't we plug 2 or 3 of the 7 major holes we've got?

Why is that so unreasonable?

It's not that unreasonable if you can find the right guys at the right price. That is one way of doing it. Ted is doing it another way. I'm ok with that for now, and am willing to see how it works out.

[Bretsky]

I think some of you guys would be happier if Dan Snyder bought the Packers.

At least until September, when they started playing games.

Isn't there a happy medium, Scott?

couldn't we plug 2 or 3 of the 7 major holes we've got?

Why is that so unreasonable?

It's not that unreasonable if you can find the right guys at the right price. That is one way of doing it. Ted is doing it another way. I'm ok with that for now, and am willing to see how it works out.

If Ted wins a Super Bowl in Green Bay I will issue a formal repentance to the entire forum and I will defend his greatness just as strong as I continue to defend Mike Holmgren.

If he does not I'll remember him as the guy who frontloaded deals and sacrificed our near term shot at a Super Bowl while our Hall of Fame QB played his last years for a future that never turned out.

[BooHoo]

Brett will be hard to reproduce. Great QBs don't come along very often. Just look at some of the guys we started over the years. I can understand TT's point in building for the long term but don't know if we will have the QB to get us to the SB.

[retailguy]

That is why I said 10 years because the 11th was the one and only exception to the rule.

How about the 2006 Chicago Bears? While they didn't win, at least they got there...

Hunter Hillenmeyer - Waiver Wire Pick up - Green Bay
Adewale Ogunleye - Trade with Miami for Marty Booker
Ricky Manning Jr - Free Agent
Brad Maynard - Free Agent
Robbie Gould - Free Agent
Rashied Davis - Free Agent
Mushin Muhammed - Free Agent
John Tait - Free Agent
John St. Clair - Free Agent
Ruben Brown - Free Agent
Roberto Garza - Free Agent
Fred Miller - Free Agent
Desmond Clark - Free Agent
John Gilmore - Free Agent
Jason Mckie - Free Agent
JD Runnells - Undrafted Free Agent
Brian Griese - Free Agent
Thomas Jones - Free Agent.

The majority of these guys are/were starters, including the ENTIRE offensive line except the center...

[RashanGary]

That's pretty fair but thinking that there is some FA out there that could possibly put this team over the top is being very optimistic IMHO, but I always respect your opinion more than the other TT haters because you present a reasonable case and you are fair and open to the possiblity that TT could be taking a good approach.

I'm probably more pro TT than most but I'm definitly open to the possiblity that he fails too. I dont' necessarily think that he has to win the SB to be a good GM because the odds of that are pretty slim and you have to get a little lucky with a special player but I do fully expect a competitor for multiple years starting this year. A team that has a shot over and over for 5 or 6 years. If he does that, I think he's a success. If he wins the SB he is one of the best GM's in this era considering the junk he took over.

[RashanGary]

Trades don't count as UFA pick ups and I count 3 or 4 starters from the UFA market there.

Hillenmeyer was a waiver pickup like you said so that isnt' quite like paying on the UFA market

Regardless, 3 or 4 is more than the usual team. Nice example but most of those guys were backup depth or didn't fit the criteria.

[BooHoo]

That's pretty fair but thinking that there is some FA out there that could possibly put this team over the top is being very optimistic IMHO, but I always respect your opinion more than the other TT haters because you present a reasonable case and you are fair and open to the possiblity that TT could be taking a good approach.

I'm probably more pro TT than most but I'm definitly open to the possiblity that he fails too. I dont' necessarily think that he has to win the SB to be a good GM because the odds of that are pretty slim and you have to get a little lucky with a special player but I do fully expect a competitor for multiple years starting this year. A team that has a shot over and over for 5 or 6 years. If he does that, I think he's a success. If he wins the SB he is one of the best GM's in this era considering the junk he took over.

I am not a TT hater and think he is overall doing a good job. However, I understand that only time will tell whether his approach will be successful. I just thought there might be just one FA out there who would have improved the team without breaking our bank.

[Bretsky]

Trades don't count as UFA pick ups and I count 3 or 4 starters from the UFA market there.

Hillenmeyer was a waiver pickup like you said so that isnt' quite like paying on the UFA market

Regardless, 3 or 4 is more than the usual team. Nice example but most of those guys were backup depth or didn't fit the criteria.

I believe there are eight starters in that group if I'm not mistaken.

New England also had several key, but not expensive free agents when they had their run.

Denver and New England are doing the anti TT this year with free agency and trades; it will be interesting to see if either succeeds.

B

[Scott Campbell]

I think some of you guys would be happier if Dan Snyder bought the Packers.

At least until September, when they started playing games.

Isn't there a happy medium, Scott?

couldn't we plug 2 or 3 of the 7 major holes we've got?

Why is that so unreasonable?

Isn't that exactly what he did last year?

[RashanGary]

Jones, McKie, Muhammed, Miller, Garza, Brown, Tait, Clark, kicker, punter....

Holy crap..You are correct. It is certainly alot more than the Colts, Patriots, Steelers, Eagles, Seahawks of late.

There is still a lot more evidence in the other direction but I can see you're point in that if you are smart; you can find good UFA's..

Bears got a little lucky with some of those aging guys too....Still, nice example RG..I wasn't expecting that to be honest; I've seen too much evidence over the years to the contrary.

[Bretsky]

That's pretty fair but thinking that there is some FA out there that could possibly put this team over the top is being very optimistic IMHO, but I always respect your opinion more than the other TT haters because you present a reasonable case and you are fair and open to the possiblity that TT could be taking a good approach.

I'm probably more pro TT than most but I'm definitly open to the possiblity that he fails too. I dont' necessarily think that he has to win the SB to be a good GM because the odds of that are pretty slim and you have to get a little lucky with a special player but I do fully expect a competitor for multiple years starting this year. A team that has a shot over and over for 5 or 6 years. If he does that, I think he's a success. If he wins the SB he is one of the best GM's in this era considering the junk he took over.

I am not a TT hater and think he is overall doing a good job. However, I understand that only time will tell whether his approach will be successful. I just thought there might be just one FA out there who would have improved the team without breaking our bank.

There are several excuses the pro TT group uses, and this should NOT be pointed at any one poster. There are plenty out there on both sides of the turtle

Some say nobody came at fair market value. Fair enough, but some are the same posters who were claiming Nick Barnett to be worth in the 4.5-5MIL area a few months ago. Market has changed.

And when all else fails, here comes the "no one player could put this team over the top." And they are right; nobody could.

But you make one GREAT POINT

I just thought there might be just one FA out there who would have improved the team without breaking our bank

Gosh, maybe there even might have been two

That's really all those of us that are frustrated are asking for.

We're not asking for TT to sacrifice the future; but maybe we'd rather not see him sacrifice the present for the future either.


Cheers,
B

[retailguy]

That is why I said 10 years because the 11th was the one and only exception to the rule.

How about the 2000 Baltimore Ravens?

Sam Adams - Free Agent
Obafemi Ayanbadejo - Free Agent
Robert Bailey - Free Agent
Tony Banks - Free Agent
Orlando Bobo - Free Agent
O. J. Brigance - Free Agent
Rob Burnett - Free Agent
Ben Coates - Free Agent
Anthony Davis - Free Agent
Billy Davis - Free Agent
Trent Dilfer - Free Agent
Chuck Evans - Free Agent
Corey Harris - Free Agent
Sam Gash - Free Agent
John Hudson - Free Agent
Qadry Ishmail - Free Agent
Clarence Love - Free Agent
Michael Mccrary - Free Agent
Carl Powell - free Agent
Kyle Richardson - Free Agent
Shannon Sharpe - Free Agent
Tony Siragusa - Free Agent
Matt Stover - Free Agent
Harry Swayne - Free agent
James Trapp - Free Agent
Kipp Vickers - Free Agent
Frank Wainwright - Free Agent
Keith Washington - Free agent
Larry Webster - Free Agent
Sammy Williams - Free Agent
Rod Woodson - Free Agent


I'm sure a lot of these guys were backups, but I recognize a fair amount of names as free agents. Also, many of these guys were picked up for the 2000 season, and only played one year in Baltimore.

THEY PICKED THEM UP TO GET OVER THE HUMP.

Should I keep going?.....