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    2007 Packer Draft Needs List: Offense (ND72)

    QB: Current Players – Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Ingle Martin
    Status:

    Quarterback seems to be one position in this draft that the Packers really don’t have to look at until maybe a 7th round pick if any. Favre comes back for another year in his Hall of Fame career. Rodgers will have another year of clipboard and learning. In all honesty, Rodgers might not enjoy sitting, but it will only help him, and prolong his career. Martin is very athletic, and the Packers really seem to like him. He needs to keep improving and learning if he intends to stay with the team.
    Possible picks: Drew Stanton, Trent Edwards, Kevin Kolb, John Beck, Jordan Palmer, Tyler Palko

    RB: Current Players – Vernand Morency, Noah Herron, Arliss Beach, P.J. Pope
    Status:

    Definitely an area of need right now for the Packers. Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy, and staff might say one thing, but behind closed door you know there has to be a sense of need at that position. Morency showed he has the ability to carry the ball, and be explosive in the new zone scheme. However, he might not have the stator to withstand a full workload. If he is paired with someone else, he could be very dangerous. Noah Herron is a 3rd down back at best, and don’t be surprised if they play Noah at some FB, where he took snaps at last training camp. Arliss Beach is a team favorite and could get a look during training camp to get some playing time next season.
    Possible picks: Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, Antonio Pittman, Brandon Jackson, Michael Bush, Kenny Irons, Tony Hunt, Darius Walker, Lorenzo Booker, Chris Henry

    FB: Current Players – Brandon Miree
    Status:

    If HB is concern 1, FB should be Concern 1A. Brandon Miree did alright in his limited time so far, but can’t stay healthy. Packers could look very early to fill the need at FB as well as HB if Brian Leonard is still around come the 2nd round. Fullbacks isn’t usually an area that is drafted a lot, so don’t be surprised if Green Bay looks to add the top FB from undrafted free agents.
    Possible Picks: Brian Leonard, Cory Anderson, Le’Ron McClain, Jason Snelling, Deon Anderson

    WR: Current Players – Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Ruvell Martin, Robert Ferguson, Carlyle Holiday, Chris Francies, Calvin Russell, Carlton Brewster, Shaun Bodiford, Koren Robinson(suspension)
    Status:

    Driver showed more than ever his level of talent in the NFL last season. Jennings is definitely an up-and-comer with signs of a lot of talent, and a solid #2, if not someday a #1 WR. Ruvell Martin showed signs of potential, as well as a big body to throw to. Ferguson was injured, again. Carlyle Holiday showed he could catch some passes, as well as Chris Francies. In all honestly though, Holiday, Francies, Russell, Brewster, Bodiford, are guys that should not make an NFL roster, unless they are special teamers, or a 5th WR. Koren Robinson could provide a very solid target and weapon if he is reinstated to the NFL. Obviously an area that needs to be addressed if not once, maybe twice in the draft.
    Possible picks: Ted Ginn Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Dwayne Bowe, Sidney Rice, Robert Meachem, Anthony Gonzalez, Craig Davis, Aundrae Allison, Steve Smith, Courtney Taylor, Paul Williams, Rhema McKnight, Jason Hill, Dallas Baker, Jacoby Jones, Steve Breaston, David Ball, Jarrett Hicks, Brandon Myles, Jayson Swain, Ryan Moore

    TE: Current Players – Bubba Franks, Donald Lee, Tory Humphrey, Zac Alcorn
    Status:

    This is an interesting situation. The better the Packers Offensive Line can become, the better the TE’s should become this year, because they won’t have to stay in to help block as much. Some of the blame has to be on Coach McCarthy as well, as Franks was thrown ZERO passes inside the 5 yard line last season. If Lee can return to what he showed in 2005, he could be a help to the team as well. Both Humphrey and Alcorn showed some promise during the pre-season last year.
    Possible picks: Greg Olsen, Zach Miller, Scott Chandler, Matt Spaeth, Ben Patrick, Martrez Milner, Michael Allan, Tyler Ecker

    OT: Current Players – Chad Clifton, Mark Tauscher, Tony Moll, Kevin Barry, Josh Bourke, Orrin Thompson
    Status:

    Clifton and Tauscher are as solid a LT/RT duo in the league. The biggest problem is neither one is young anymore, and injuries proved to become an issue last season for Tauscher, and was probably the least injured Clifton had been in a long time. Moll showed he can play, but would have a long ways to go in order to become a starter in the NFL. Barry probably won’t be on the team come 2007, as his weight and speed don’t match the quicker zone scheme requires. Packers should at some point look into drafting a pure OT to start to learn and develop as a possible future starter.
    Possible picks: Joe Staley, Justin Blalock, Tony Ugoh, Doug Free, Ryan Harris, James Marten, Brandon Frye, Corey Hilliard, Steve Vallos, Stephon Heyer, Julius Wilson, Herbert Taylor, Mike Otto

    OG: Current Players – Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz, Adam Stenavich, Tony Palmer, Junius Coston, Travis Leffew
    Status:

    Packers have definitely found their future at Guard in Colledge and Spitz. After struggling in the pre-season, College came in game 2, and never looked back. He was very solid throughout the year in both run blocking and pass blocking. Spitz started hot, but as the season went on, and a few nagging injuries surfaced, his production got lower and lower. College is more of a finesse player, while Spitz is more of a mauler, which can be a very good combination. After that, the Packers are pretty thin. They need to decide if Moll is a Tackle, or if he’s a Guard, and then keep him there and let him grow. Packers could definitely look into taking at least 1 Guard for depth, and competition.
    Possible Picks: Ben Grubbs, Arron Sears, Josh Beekman, Marshal Yanda, Manuel Ramirez, Tim Duckworth, Mansfield Wrotto, Dan Santucci, Mike Jones, Kasey Studdard, Kurt Quarterman, T.J. Downing

    OC: Current Players – Scott Wells
    Status:

    The good news is Scott Wells is a very solid Center. The bad news is, there isn’t much depth if he got injured. Jason Spitz, Tony Palmer, and Junius Coston would probably be the next option. Drafting a Center wouldn’t be the worst ideas for depth.
    Possible picks: Ryan Kalil, Samson Satele, Doug Datish, Dustin Fry, Leroy Harris, Dan Mozes, Drew Mormino, Darnell Stapleton, Lyle Sendlein[/b]
    "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

  • #2
    Very good read. Thanks, ND! I'd love to see the Pack draft USC's center Ryan Kalil, but I doubt he'll be there in the 2nd round.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Brando19
      Very good read. Thanks, ND! I'd love to see the Pack draft USC's center Ryan Kalil, but I doubt he'll be there in the 2nd round.
      I donno where Kalil would play...cause he won't move Wells out. Wells will be a pro bowler someday, and is perfect for our system. So Kalil would have to beat out one of our guards then.
      "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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      • #4
        Nice piece, ND, That's the kind of summary I was hoping someone would do.
        "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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        • #5
          Of course I hate the ZBS, I hate small linemen, and I hate the overall philosophy the Packers employ; so I admit I'm highly biased in this area.

          That said, I've got to say that I was very disappointed in Wells last year... I was hoping that he'd put on weight and get stronger, but he appears to have maxed out - he's just too small to ever be anything more than just a guy.

          He'll never be able to consistently handle a NT/DT straight up... he needs immediate help off of the snap or tends to get blown back into the backfield.
          wist

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          • #6
            Originally posted by wist43
            Of course I hate the ZBS, I hate small linemen, and I hate the overall philosophy the Packers employ; so I admit I'm highly biased in this area.

            That said, I've got to say that I was very disappointed in Wells last year... I was hoping that he'd put on weight and get stronger, but he appears to have maxed out - he's just too small to ever be anything more than just a guy.

            He'll never be able to consistently handle a NT/DT straight up... he needs immediate help off of the snap or tends to get blown back into the backfield.
            Agreed...Wells is an alright center, but he's not got the size or strength. We need an impressive backup or someone to compete with him.

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            • #7
              Just the Offense

              FB and Center(can Long Snap?) are spots that will likely be addressed day 2.

              At RB a replacement for Green is needed and an upgrade over Herron.

              If a WR is drafted he will likely be an experienced returner.

              There are many good OT's in the second and third round of this draft who may be taken as the Best player available.

              I like Donald Lee(a 5th round pick) getting more playing time. I'm not sure a TE will be drafted unless it is an upgrade over Humphrey.

              Frankly, almost all the picks could be used on offense.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by wist43
                Of course I hate the ZBS, I hate small linemen, and I hate the overall philosophy the Packers employ; so I admit I'm highly biased in this area.

                That said, I've got to say that I was very disappointed in Wells last year... I was hoping that he'd put on weight and get stronger, but he appears to have maxed out - he's just too small to ever be anything more than just a guy.

                He'll never be able to consistently handle a NT/DT straight up... he needs immediate help off of the snap or tends to get blown back into the backfield.
                Completely disagree. He should not put on weight. in their current scheme he is not responsible for an individual man. if they are playing a 3-4 with a nose, or if there is a nose in a certain 4-3 set, he and a guard are responsible for that man, he will NEVER have to block a person alone. At Fan Fest I talked to Philbin for a while about the zone blocking, and if he graded the guys out, and he told me that Wells graded out at 98% successful blocks, while the next guy, Clifton graded out at 85% of successful blocks. Wells is the pro-typical body and player for this system. You won't find a more perfect fit for what they do.
                "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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                • #9
                  I still don't understand why everyone continues to bad mouth Wells. Yes he is small and undersized, but what he lacks there he makes up for in football talent, leadership(not yet see UT), quickness, and agility.

                  I'm guessing noone on here had the luxury of ever even seeing him in college since he wasn't playing for Wisconsin or the Big 10 , but he was a leader of the offensive line there and a starter for years, not to mention a bright kid and good motivator. We were lucky to land Wells in the 7th.
                  "I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious." - Vince Lombardi

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by wist43
                    Of course I hate the ZBS, I hate small linemen, and I hate the overall philosophy the Packers employ; so I admit I'm highly biased in this area.

                    That said, I've got to say that I was very disappointed in Wells last year... I was hoping that he'd put on weight and get stronger, but he appears to have maxed out - he's just too small to ever be anything more than just a guy.

                    He'll never be able to consistently handle a NT/DT straight up... he needs immediate help off of the snap or tends to get blown back into the backfield.
                    You should just quit watching the Packers or get some therapy.
                    Chris: Dad, what's the blow-hole for?
                    Peter: I'll tell you what it's not for, son. And when I do, you'll understand why I can never go back to Sea World.

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                    • #11
                      I agree that given the system, Wells isn't really asked to handle a DT/NT on his own, so the fact that he doesn't have any sand in his bucket, isn't as big an issue.

                      That combined with the fact that he is very mobile for a Center, and is pretty good in space, makes him a good ZBS Center.

                      That doesn't mean I have to like it... I hate finesse football - always have; however, I realize this is our system, and I'm having to readjust how I evaluate OL.

                      When looking at OL for the upcoming draft, I don't even look at the bruisers... If the description of a player reads, "lacks size and strength, but is very mobile"... that's our guy. Just doesn't seem right to me.
                      wist

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BlueBrewer
                        Originally posted by wist43
                        Of course I hate the ZBS, I hate small linemen, and I hate the overall philosophy the Packers employ; so I admit I'm highly biased in this area.

                        That said, I've got to say that I was very disappointed in Wells last year... I was hoping that he'd put on weight and get stronger, but he appears to have maxed out - he's just too small to ever be anything more than just a guy.

                        He'll never be able to consistently handle a NT/DT straight up... he needs immediate help off of the snap or tends to get blown back into the backfield.
                        You should just quit watching the Packers or get some therapy.
                        Luckily I'm a Charger fan as well... good old fashioned power football, great TE. A real pleasure to watch.

                        I also like to watch Pittsburgh and Jacksonville... power football.
                        wist

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wist43
                          Originally posted by BlueBrewer
                          Originally posted by wist43
                          Of course I hate the ZBS, I hate small linemen, and I hate the overall philosophy the Packers employ; so I admit I'm highly biased in this area.

                          That said, I've got to say that I was very disappointed in Wells last year... I was hoping that he'd put on weight and get stronger, but he appears to have maxed out - he's just too small to ever be anything more than just a guy.

                          He'll never be able to consistently handle a NT/DT straight up... he needs immediate help off of the snap or tends to get blown back into the backfield.
                          You should just quit watching the Packers or get some therapy.
                          Luckily I'm a Charger fan as well... good old fashioned power football, great TE. A real pleasure to watch.

                          I also like to watch Pittsburgh and Jacksonville... power football.
                          Sorry, I have to laugh. San Diego runs a zone running scheme as well. in fact when Norv Turner was their OC, he's the one that brought ZBS to them...and now he's their head coach. Willie Parker is only a zone runner. 90% of his runs, are zone plays.
                          "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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                          • #14
                            SD has an OL that can move guys off the ball - GB doesn't... it's pretty much that simple for me.

                            Kris Dielman, G, 6' 4", 310 lbs - resigned with SD. Prisco wrote: He's a physical player who won't back down from anyone. He really came on strong in 2006.

                            GB doesn't have any players on the OL that fit that description.
                            wist

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                            • #15
                              And yet, still running a zone "finese" scheme...
                              "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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