Ted Ginn Jr pro day

[b bulldog]

Good point and I think a good red zone threat would be nice.

[wist43]

Just don't know how you can justify taking a guy at #16 who probably won't contribute much from scrimmage.

He doesn't run good routes, isn't very physical, and is shy about going over the middle... yes, he's blazing fast, and would be an instant contributor on ST, but that isn't enough to justify a 1st round pick.

[b bulldog]

We need a guy like Jarrett but I don't like him either.

[ND72]

He doesn't run good routes, isn't very physical, and is shy about going over the middle... yes, he's blazing fast, and would be an instant contributor on ST, but that isn't enough to justify a 1st round pick.

Few problems. #1...Ginn has been listed as one of hte best route runners in this draft just behind Calvin Johnson. #2...just because the Buckeye's haven't had him over the middle, doesn't say he's shy. Other than on here, i've never seen anything written in FACT that he is shy about going over the middle.

I like Ginn, I donno if they'll take him, or donno if I want them to take him. But lets start stating facts instead of assumptions.

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Sirius Sports Radio with Bill Bellichek..."If it wasn't slippery, Ginn was impressive. He won't be around for us to take in the first round."

TRANSLATION:

"We hope that someone else reaches with a first round pick and takes Ginn so a quality player falls to us."

and Ginn isn't a qualtiy player? You're right. blazing speed, soft hands. 2 time all american. scary kick and punt returner. you're right, we wouldn't want anything like that.

A 4.4 isn't as fast a the sub 4.3 we thought he'd run, though.

[ND72]

Sirius Sports Radio with Bill Bellichek..."If it wasn't slippery, Ginn was impressive. He won't be around for us to take in the first round."

TRANSLATION:

"We hope that someone else reaches with a first round pick and takes Ginn so a quality player falls to us."

and Ginn isn't a qualtiy player? You're right. blazing speed, soft hands. 2 time all american. scary kick and punt returner. you're right, we wouldn't want anything like that.

A 4.4 isn't as fast a the sub 4.3 we thought he'd run, though.

With a 75% healthy ankle. DAMN...

[Packnut]

Ginn

Ginn, Ginn might just be worth the "gamble"; he could be special - probowl special. There's a chance he'll be there at #16 and TT will think hard on that one. I see other good picks that could be made at #16 - I'm hoping for Carriker but he might be gone (at #16).

I'm not argueing here...but where is Carriker playing? Jenkins & Kampman are the starting DE's, KGB comes in on 3rd down. so when/where does Carriker come in? We need a guy in the 1st round to play right away. A DE in the 1st round does NOT start for us this year.

I'd be happy with Ginn at 16. But then I'd be happy with Lynch or Bowe also. Just get SOMEONE who can give Brett just a little help!

[b bulldog]

Like Robert Brooks, he wasn't afraid to go over the middle but his body couldn't take it. It has been hard on Driver also but Driver has more Drive than 90% of the NFL players.

[ND72]

Re: Ginn

I'd be happy with Ginn at 16. But then I'd be happy with Lynch or Bowe also. Just get SOMEONE who can give Brett just a little help!

Ahmen...I think all our argueing is at least all in agreement towards that part. As long as it's not Meachem

[b bulldog]

I wouldn't mid Willis or Nelson being the pick and if Jamaal slides to us, hopefully someone wnts him bad so we could swing a sweet deal and trade down.

[ND72]

I wouldn't mid Willis or Nelson being the pick and if Jamaal slides to us, hopefully someone wnts him bad so we could swing a sweet deal and trade down.

Willis, yes...he'd be a perfect SLB and get rid of poopinga. Nelson, no. He's exactly the same as Collins. Plus in all his draft profiles, he's listed as a Free Safety with no possibility of playing strong safety....Collins is our FS, he won't play SS. That'd be a wasted pick. Plus, I still see Ginn making Nelson playing safety on the kick return, look like he was in slow motion as Ginn ran past him.

[b bulldog]

The coaching staff was thinking about moving Collins already and Nelson has much greater ball skills than Collins and much better instinct. I think they would work well together.

[ND72]

The coaching staff was thinking about moving Collins already and Nelson has much greater ball skills than Collins and much better instinct. I think they would work well together.

eek...if that's the case, we're in trouble, cause one of hte big question marks for Nelson is his instincts.

[b bulldog]

I've read comments that contradict yours but Collins sure seems to lack instincts and has absolutely no ball skills.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I can't see us taking LB in round 1. Just too much money at LB and not enough PT to justify it. We have two LBs that will be here for years that are both 3 down LBs. Oftentimes, the third LB doesn't play on 50% of downs because teams are in the nickel and dime package so much.