A BIT OF GLASS HALF EMPTY FACTS AND PERCEIVED REALITY

[Charles Woodson]

If we had the money, were the FA's that were available going to put us over the top? No. Just because there is money and people available doesn't mean there is a match there. The Colts team was built with the draft. Case closed. When the Right players are in FA for your team you get them. These threads sound like theyr are written by mall rats with momma's credit card -There's something I want!!! BUY IT!! like Denny Green said bullshit BULLSHIT go Ted Thompson I'm in.

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Its not about trying to put yourself over the top in one free agency. I mean were not the redskins. But i agree with Bretsky and RG because like RG said there were some players in FA that most likely could have started for us this year. Who knows what the draft will bring, i think TT puts way to much faith in it. TT is just missing his balance between the both of them. I guess what im trying to say is there were players that would have helped us. I just would rather had TT put up at least more fight in FA

[Joemailman]

I don't think Thompson is relying on this year's draft to fill holes as much as some of you think. I think he is expecting young players like Collins, Underwood, Blackmon, Poppinga, Jenkins, Hodge, Lee, Colledge, Spitz, jennings and Morency to have a bigger impact this year. We'll see if he's right. I wouldn't look for the Packers to have 4 rookies in the starting lineup on opening day like they did last year.

[retailguy]

I don't think Thompson is relying on this year's draft to fill holes as much as some of you think. I think he is expecting young players like Collins, Underwood, Blackmon, Poppinga, Jenkins, Hodge, Lee, Colledge, Spitz, jennings and Morency to have a bigger impact this year. We'll see if he's right. I wouldn't look for the Packers to have 4 rookies in the starting lineup on opening day like they did last year.

I wouldn't look for lots of rookies to be starting either, that's not the point.

I also don't think it is a "reasonable" assumption to expect all or even most to have a big impact. I think that is also shortsighted.

This comment really, when you think about it, backs up my points above. You bring in "moderately" priced free agents to provide competition at spots where you can, lessening the risk you place on young guys who can't/won't step up.

If they step up, great, you let the free agent go, if they don't, you don't have as many holes to fill.

[MJZiggy]

But then you've necessarily paid for a player that you won't be utilizing...

[retailguy]

But then you've necessarily paid for a player that you won't be utilizing...

True, to a point. At some level all 53 guys get utilized. Some more than others.

Point is, you can't remove risk. If you don't pay some guys, you wind up, as we did last year, with holes. Manuel did not play well, and there wasn't much healthy depth behind him as a fallback. Thats just one example.

[MJZiggy]

But you said if the kid steps up, you let the free agent go. That's a lot of money to let a middle of the road free agent walk. Not that we haven't done it, but I'm just saying. I just wanna see what happens after the draft.

[retailguy]

But you said if the kid steps up, you let the free agent go. That's a lot of money to let a middle of the road free agent walk. Not that we haven't done it, but I'm just saying. I just wanna see what happens after the draft.

Well, I agree with that, EXCEPT, if your plan doesn't work out, then WHERE do you get the guy? They tried that last year, and there wasn't much left.

sometimes you gotta get the guy when he's available... The FB or TE, would have been utilized. Miree is OK, but just a guy. Bubba is appearing to be "over the hill". There was little risk there Zig.

[Joemailman]

I don't think Thompson is relying on this year's draft to fill holes as much as some of you think. I think he is expecting young players like Collins, Underwood, Blackmon, Poppinga, Jenkins, Hodge, Lee, Colledge, Spitz, jennings and Morency to have a bigger impact this year. We'll see if he's right. I wouldn't look for the Packers to have 4 rookies in the starting lineup on opening day like they did last year.

I wouldn't look for lots of rookies to be starting either, that's not the point.

I also don't think it is a "reasonable" assumption to expect all or even most to have a big impact. I think that is also shortsighted.

This comment really, when you think about it, backs up my points above. You bring in "moderately" priced free agents to provide competition at spots where you can, lessening the risk you place on young guys who can't/won't step up.

If they step up, great, you let the free agent go, if they don't, you don't have as many holes to fill.

I think I read not too long ago that the Packers already have more guys under contract than any other team. I mean, you can only bring so many guys into camp. Not to mention the fact that TT usually ends up drafting more guys than most teams.

[Bretsky]

If we had the money, were the FA's that were available going to put us over the top? No. Just because there is money and people available doesn't mean there is a match there. The Colts team was built with the draft. Case closed. When the Right players are in FA for your team you get them. These threads sound like theyr are written by mall rats with momma's credit card -There's something I want!!! BUY IT!! like Denny Green said bullshit BULLSHIT go Ted Thompson I'm in.

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I want to puke everytime the "over the top" argument comes up. It's a process, and the over the top argument is the classic cliche to defend TT from making moves to improve the talent on the roster.

[Bretsky]

If we had the money, were the FA's that were available going to put us over the top? No. Just because there is money and people available doesn't mean there is a match there. The Colts team was built with the draft. Case closed. When the Right players are in FA for your team you get them. These threads sound like theyr are written by mall rats with momma's credit card -There's something I want!!! BUY IT!! like Denny Green said bullshit BULLSHIT go Ted Thompson I'm in.

I fixed some punctuation........

Its not about trying to put yourself over the top in one free agency. I mean were not the redskins. But i agree with Bretsky and RG because like RG said there were some players in FA that most likely could have started for us this year. Who knows what the draft will bring, i think TT puts way to much faith in it. TT is just missing his balance between the both of them. I guess what im trying to say is there were players that would have helped us. I just would rather had TT put up at least more fight in FA

[retailguy]

I think I read not too long ago that the Packers already have more guys under contract than any other team. I mean, you can only bring so many guys into camp. Not to mention the fact that TT usually ends up drafting more guys than most teams.

I'm looking for help in 07, Joe. All those "bodies" don't help much for that.

[retailguy]

I want to puke everytime the "over the top" argument comes up. It's a process, and the over the top argument is the classic cliche to defend TT from making moves to improve the talent on the roster.

gotta drink the kool-aid man! How dare you criticize him. He doin' the right thing...

We got good guys on the roster... Thompson is a draftin' animal. You'll see!

[LaFours]

If we had the money, were the FA's that were available going to put us over the top? No. Just because there is money and people available doesn't mean there is a match there. The Colts team was built with the draft. Case closed. When the Right players are in FA for your team you get them. These threads sound like theyr are written by mall rats with momma's credit card -There's something I want!!! BUY IT!! like Denny Green said bullshit BULLSHIT go Ted Thompson I'm in.

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Some of us are Mall Rats. Your tone does not resonate pleasantly on this issue.

[Zool]

This horse has started to decompose its been dead so long.

[swede]

...I think the Packers will benefit from having all the players (other than rookies) and coaches being more familiar with each other, and with the systems they are trying to execute. There was a lot of on-the-job training last year, and that will not be the case this year.

My glass half empty thought is that this is the year we may find out that the offensive and defensive systems are more mediocre than the players.

I don't have a big problem with the slow spending in FA. The really good players got paid and are staying with their teams. The average guys, the trouble in the lockerroom guys, the 30+ year old guys, and the oft-injured guys are gettting paid too much by teams that aren't us. (I would have like the FB Griffith and a TE. I support that particular beef regarding this year's FA period.)

RG and Bretsky keep up the good posting. I hardly agree with any of it when it comes to the you know better than TT regarding Free Agency angles, but I come here to listen to other POV.