Official 2007 Live Draft Thread

[Tony Oday]

Well lets just trade next years 3rd rounder for Moss

[Bretsky]

I like the second, BUT instead of trading down GB should have traded up a few spots in front on MN to secure Rice or Jarrett.

One question. If the Packers did get Moss, would you feel the same way?

My assumption is Green Bay will not get Moss. If the pick is to get Moss in the fourth OR trade up I'm fine with Moss.

But if they do both they end up with

Driver
Moss
Jennings
Rice or Jarrett
Hollyday
Martin

Moss has a few years left and the WR core is set up for many years to come; to go up five spots would not have cost much. I'd still support doing it; but if you assume Green Bay is getting Moss I'm probably 51/49 and have no problem with the argument that you dont' do it then.

[Bretsky]

Just posted the PI chat on the draft; check it out as there is some good juice

My general comments of the day

Time will tell on the first

I like the second, BUT instead of trading down GB should have traded up a few spots in front on MN to secure Rice or Jarrett. When they went off the board you were now getting the next level down in quality at WR IMO. They could have probably given up a 4th or so to get there, and they could always trade down in round 3. Still could have picked up Pittman and possibly Jackson..but probably not.

I'd have liked to see them get Rice/Jarrett along with Pittman in addition to my first.

It seems like TT is aggressive to trade down but passive to trade up

Rice violates what once was the "gator receiver rule" which has since evolved to the "spurrier receiver rule". Jarrett would have been nice, though. He has excellent body control for the jump ball.

You've expanded the rule

I know the curse of the Gator WR's, but have we had any busts from Spurriers new gig yet ?

We'll get to see it one way or the other two times a year

[Bretsky]

Well lets just trade next years 3rd rounder for Moss

I'd do that; my guess is it's out of TT's comfort zone.

[HarveyWallbangers]

My assumption is Green Bay will not get Moss. If the pick is to get Moss in the fourth OR trade up I'm fine with Moss.

But if they do both they end up with

Driver
Moss
Jennings
Rice or Jarrett
Hollyday
Martin

True, but then you have a solid 4th WR at the expense of probably 2-3 less picks (minus the one they gained for trading down + the 1-2 it would have taken to trade up).

[wist43]

No, I wasn't "thrilled" with the Hawk, still aren't; however, I like Hawk, knew he wouldn't be a bust, and have liked most of the rest of last years draft from the git-go.

The more I look at Harrell, the more I'm hopeful that he can become something; but, again, I'm not sure that makes them that much better, when you consider that they're going to have to dump a pretty good player.

If Harrell becomes a monster - then all is forgiven, of course... knew it all along, and all that.

It's almost as if TT has managed to draft some half way decent players, but really hasn't impoved the team much... I just find this to be a very curious draft.

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Just posted the PI chat on the draft; check it out as there is some good juice

My general comments of the day

Time will tell on the first

I like the second, BUT instead of trading down GB should have traded up a few spots in front on MN to secure Rice or Jarrett. When they went off the board you were now getting the next level down in quality at WR IMO. They could have probably given up a 4th or so to get there, and they could always trade down in round 3. Still could have picked up Pittman and possibly Jackson..but probably not.

I'd have liked to see them get Rice/Jarrett along with Pittman in addition to my first.

It seems like TT is aggressive to trade down but passive to trade up

Rice violates what once was the "gator receiver rule" which has since evolved to the "spurrier receiver rule". Jarrett would have been nice, though. He has excellent body control for the jump ball.

You've expanded the rule

I know the curse of the Gator WR's, but have we had any busts from Spurriers new gig yet ?

We'll get to see it one way or the other two times a year

It's being worked in a trial, precautionary basis

[HarveyWallbangers]

No, I wasn't "thrilled" with the Hawk, still aren't; however, I like Hawk, knew he wouldn't be a bust, and have liked most of the rest of last years draft from the git-go.

I think you liked Hodge the most, and he may end up being the biggest bust from that draft. I thought you didn't like Colledge because he was too light?

[wist43]

Yeah, I love Hodge... but, he is what he is - a two down MLB. He's very limited, and I never thought he was a good fit for what the Packers ask their LB's to do.

I thought Hodge was a miscast pick, just as my initial impressions of Rouse are that he is a miscast pick as well. Like I said earlier, in another system I think I would love the Rouse pick; in the Packers system, I don't know how he fits.

[Bretsky]

I sure hope Hodge doesn't have the same fate of our 2001 3rd round draft pick who was also a LB

[The Leaper]

I also remember Wist being rather so-so on the draft last year...I think he has softened somewhat in the last year. He's a stand up guy and I'm too lazy to go look it up, so I'll leave it at that.

[The Leaper]

I thought Hodge was a miscast pick, just as my initial impressions of Rouse are that he is a miscast pick as well. Like I said earlier, in another system I think I would love the Rouse pick; in the Packers system, I don't know how he fits.

Well, Thompson says he is a SS. In other words...Manuel's replacement. As that, I think Rouse could have a future if he can learn some coverage skills. He has far more size and speed than Manuel.

I agree that Rouse is an enigma right now though...it will be interesting to follow this during the summer months.

[mraynrand]

[quote="wist43"][quote="The Leaper"]

I have a feeling I'm going to like Harrell - even if I don't agree with the pick. As I've said, for the pick to be justified, Harrell has to at least flash pro bowl ability. The Packers are pretty solid at DT to begin with, so they've put themselves in a position where they're going to have to cut a pretty good player to make room for Harrell, and then Harrell will step in and simply be a part of that 4 man rotation.

I have to disagree on this one. I think the Packers were extremely weak at DT. Lets review. They have Pickett, who was their best, and possibly only, run stopping DT. And he was just so-so. He got his ass handed to him on a number of occassions, someimes for entire games (Jets, anyone?). Who else - Corey Williams - guy played OK, but played well against some pretty underwhelming talent. Jenkins is a great hustler and is a good DT for rushing the passer - but he was dog meat against the run. And this year's plan has to have him out at end a lot anyway. Cole is just a guy. There's nothing else there. The Packers gave up 4.14 yards/rush last year, good for 17th in the NFL. Poor run stopping on first down was one of the reasons they sucked. They had a lot of third and shorts to give away last year.

Finally, the Packers have made their bed at LB (Wist, this is your mantra) - they play fast and they play soft at LB. They HAVE to protect their LBs, or the guys will get crushed by linemen coming though. A huge run stopping DT could be just the guy they need. Just imagine if they had taken Stroud instead of Reynolds in 2001. That's what we're looking at here. I think it's going to turn out to be a great pick.

[Partial]

I couldn't have said it any better myself Rand.

[Guiness]

Still have the sig, eh Bretsky? How's that working out for you?