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  • #16
    Originally posted by mmmdk
    I liked Justin Harrell from the get go, what happened in rounds 2 & 3 are still a mystery to me, but one can only hope that these new Packer players are actually...uhm...players.

    What worries me is the notion that TT is so obsessed with finding a diamond in the rough - that's for draft day 2 or FA rookies. Sans Harrell (who I believe is pro bowl caliber talent) the 2007 draft, so far, smells like the 2005 draft. The 2005 Packer draft is a C- at best with AR as a factor too.
    I think Jackson seriously has the potential to be a high quality running back in the zone scheme. He doesn't look to be the sort of guy who can be a superstar or carry the load by himself (though as they say, "there's not a lot of wear on those tires"), but he sounds like he has all of the qualities that you look for in a ZBS back. Word in some draft circles is that if he slipped to the third or later he could have been the steal of the draft. Thompson took him practically in the third, so he might not be the steal of the draft but he seems like good value. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the starter in 2008, but who knows.

    Jones? Who knows. He could be a solid possession receiver, he could be just a guy. I'm not paid to evaluate talent, but apparently some people who are thought he was pretty good. Rouse at the very least seems like he'll have the opportunity to come in and crack skulls on special teams, and that's certainly somewhere we've been needing help for a few years. Rouse doesn't look like he can come in and start at any position right away (what late 3rd round guy can?). But with his speed, size, strength, and aggressiveness I'm sure they can find something to do with him.

    And, heck. If we take a TE like Chandler or Patrick and wrangle Moss somehow tomorrow, this team will look a lot better on Tuesday than it did on Thursday.
    </delurk>

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    • #17
      Originally posted by mmmdk
      I liked Justin Harrell from the get go, what happened in rounds 2 & 3 are still a mystery to me, but one can only hope that these new Packer players are actually...uhm...players.

      What worries me is the notion that TT is so obsessed with finding a diamond in the rough - that's for draft day 2 or FA rookies. Sans Harrell (who I believe is pro bowl caliber talent) the 2007 draft, so far, smells like the 2005 draft. The 2005 Packer draft is a C- at best with AR as a factor too.
      The thing is though - we know nothing until these guys put on pads and in january 2008 we'll know better.

      I just believe this; I don't think TT has outsmarted the league with his picks - that would be asking too much. Is RB Brandon Jackson going to make Packers a better running team? I'm getting ready for Favre breaking his own record for pass attempted in a single regular season.

      I want great defense and a strong running game; I believe we'll get the former not the latter.
      PackerRats Thompson D. Yahoo Fantasy Football Champ 2019,
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      Rats Yahoo Fantasy Football Champ 2013,
      Ratz Survival Football Champ 2012,
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Lurker64
        Originally posted by mmmdk
        I liked Justin Harrell from the get go, what happened in rounds 2 & 3 are still a mystery to me, but one can only hope that these new Packer players are actually...uhm...players.

        What worries me is the notion that TT is so obsessed with finding a diamond in the rough - that's for draft day 2 or FA rookies. Sans Harrell (who I believe is pro bowl caliber talent) the 2007 draft, so far, smells like the 2005 draft. The 2005 Packer draft is a C- at best with AR as a factor too.
        I think Jackson seriously has the potential to be a high quality running back in the zone scheme. He doesn't look to be the sort of guy who can be a superstar or carry the load by himself (though as they say, "there's not a lot of wear on those tires"), but he sounds like he has all of the qualities that you look for in a ZBS back. Word in some draft circles is that if he slipped to the third or later he could have been the steal of the draft. Thompson took him practically in the third, so he might not be the steal of the draft but he seems like good value. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the starter in 2008, but who knows.

        Jones? Who knows. He could be a solid possession receiver, he could be just a guy. I'm not paid to evaluate talent, but apparently some people who are thought he was pretty good. Rouse at the very least seems like he'll have the opportunity to come in and crack skulls on special teams, and that's certainly somewhere we've been needing help for a few years. Rouse doesn't look like he can come in and start at any position right away (what late 3rd round guy can?). But with his speed, size, strength, and aggressiveness I'm sure they can find something to do with him.

        And, heck. If we take a TE like Chandler or Patrick and wrangle Moss somehow tomorrow, this team will look a lot better on Tuesday than it did on Thursday.
        All could be true. With 11 rookies coming to camp - that in it self deepens the competition and there'll be players amongst those new Packer players and maybe even some FA rookies too. But play makers? Back to the diamond in the rough theory that TT covets.

        Packers will be better but one could argue that so does the rest of the NFL teams. It's how much better did we get? On paper Vikings & Lions got a whole lot better...the pressure, the pressure. You gotta have play makers to win and don't we know that as Packer fans!?
        PackerRats Thompson D. Yahoo Fantasy Football Champ 2019,
        PackerRats Thompson D. Yahoo Fantasy Football Champ 2018,
        PackerRats Pick'Em 2016-17 Champ + Packers year Survival Football Champ 2017,
        Rats Yahoo Fantasy Football Champ 2013,
        Ratz Survival Football Champ 2012,
        PackerRats1 Yahoo Fantasy Football Champ 2006.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by mmmdk
          What worries me is the notion that TT is so obsessed with finding a diamond in the rough - that's for draft day 2 or FA rookies.
          I don't really consider Jackson or Rouse diamonds in the rough. They played at major college programs. They just have some things that scouts are concerned about. Jackson only started 1 year, and Rouse appears to be a tweener. On the positive, Jackson looks like a good ZBS runner and doesn't have a lot of trade on the tires (much like Ahman when he came out of Nebraska). Rouse has great physical attributes and plays hard.

          All four guys have great character. That's the one theme I took from our draft.
          "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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          • #20
            Originally posted by The Leaper
            BTW...am I the only one who feels that Driver should be granted the invitation to become our WR coach the minute he decides to retire?
            Yes.

            Sorry Leaper, I am in a cynical mood........ I think it's actually a great idea!

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            • #21
              After having slept on it, maybe our selections aren't that bad.
              I do like that these guys appear to come with no 'baggage'

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              • #22
                I also think we've overlooked one very important thing, that might really make the difference in this draft.

                James Jones can longsnap!

                We got a WR and a replacement for Rob Davis!
                </delurk>

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                • #23
                  Bonus!! Wait a second...At least we didn't have to trade up to draft a longsnapper in the third round!!!
                  "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Brando19
                    ...............................but the fact is we're all a little puzzled as to why our draft sucked so bad today.

                    Speak for yourself.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                      Originally posted by Brando19
                      ...............................but the fact is we're all a little puzzled as to why our draft sucked so bad today.

                      Speak for yourself.
                      Oh who are you kidding?

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                        Originally posted by Brando19
                        ...............................but the fact is we're all a little puzzled as to why our draft sucked so bad today.
                        Speak for yourself.
                        Agreed.
                        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Brando19
                          Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                          Originally posted by Brando19
                          ...............................but the fact is we're all a little puzzled as to why our draft sucked so bad today.

                          Speak for yourself.
                          Oh who are you kidding?
                          We are not all a little puzzled. You don't speak for everyone here. You claim this as fact, but the fact is it's just an opinion.

                          It's fine for you to have your own opinion, but I don't think you should be projecting it on everyone here. Who elected you spokesmodel?

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                            We are not all a little puzzled. You don't speak for everyone here. You claim this as fact, but the fact is it's just an opinion.
                            Sorry Scott. I forgot that you had predicted TT would pick Harrell with the 16th pick. Of course I don't speak for everyone here...but alot of us are puzzled.....dick.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Lurker64
                              I also think we've overlooked one very important thing, that might really make the difference in this draft.

                              James Jones can longsnap!

                              We got a WR and a replacement for Rob Davis!

                              That might be a bigger deal than it appears. He's what - 38 now? What if he gets hurt?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Brando19
                                Sorry Scott. I forgot that you had predicted TT would pick Harrell with the 16th pick.

                                As a matter of fact, I was spot on through the 27th pick in the 3rd round.

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