Most Disgusting offseason/draft in recent memory

[Deputy Nutz]

How easily we forget about the 2003 draft.

Carroll
Thomas
Washington
Sander

Do those names ring a bell?

This draft doesn't even come close.

So what do you think of this draft Deputy?

I didn't much care for the 6th round of this draft, but Thompson waited until the 7th round to address some late needs.

[Noodle]

Random thoughts follow, with the first riff playing off the Deputy:

Didn't the Pack also pick up Corey Williams and Scotty Wells in that draft? Wells is going to be the starting center for years to come, and I thought Williams played well last year, though he can't be feeling all that great after this weekend.

Now on to some picks:

I'm a Nebraska guy, and I like Jackson, but he's no Ahman Green. At best, he'll get you 15 on a big run, maybe 20, but Jackson doesn't have the gear to hit the home run, and he's not a bruiser who can pick up 2 yards when there's nothing there. I've seen him play -- quick wiggle, but no explosion and no burners. But he can move chains and catch the ball.

I'm going to go on record, such as it is -- we should have bit the bullet and taken Olsen at 16 instead of Harrell. Not enough junk in his trunk to stuff the run, and he's cursed. Sure a 16 was too high for Olsen, but it was too high for Harrell, and I want a seam buster at TE fer cripes sake.

Finally, I'm saying that Clowney, though burdened with an unfortunate name, will be the PR/KR we've been needing. This guy will make us love this draft. Mark my words. (Of course, I also predicted that gold would spill out of my hinder, but the night's still young).

[Packers4Glory]

NFC is there for the taking and we stood pat and probably took a step back.

One area where we had a big need for improvement was special teams, and maybe some of these picks bumped us up a bit, but I still don't know how we are going to score.

WR depth and talent looks really weak as does the RB corps. TE Bubba is only a threat in the red zone, and that is questionable at this stage.


This is the only place I've seen any mention that Moss agent said he'd only renegotiate w/ that Pats...plus Jackson was available and ten times better than any of our #4 picks will likely every be.

TT picks seem to be of someone who reaches a lot in his picks hoping to hit a big one so he can have some sort of bragging rights on how much smarter he is. than everyone else. He continues to trade down and "stockpile" these late round picks which he did last yr. To me you can't keep doing that every yr, at some point you have to draft BPA at your top needs and quit trading down. Hell he could have traded down and still got his 1st rounder later. If they were sitting there and set on Harrell, that was the time to trade down.

This team has severe weaknesses on offense, and I can't believe anyone can really believe we addressed those.

[the_idle_threat]

[HarveyWallbangers]

NFC is there for the taking and we stood pat and probably took a step back.

One area where we had a big need for improvement was special teams, and maybe some of these picks bumped us up a bit, but I still don't know how we are going to score.

WR depth and talent looks really weak as does the RB corps. TE Bubba is only a threat in the red zone, and that is questionable at this stage.


This is the only place I've seen any mention that Moss agent said he'd only renegotiate w/ that Pats...plus Jackson was available and ten times better than any of our #4 picks will likely every be.

TT picks seem to be of someone who reaches a lot in his picks hoping to hit a big one so he can have some sort of bragging rights on how much smarter he is. than everyone else. He continues to trade down and "stockpile" these late round picks which he did last yr. To me you can't keep doing that every yr, at some point you have to draft BPA at your top needs and quit trading down. Hell he could have traded down and still got his 1st rounder later. If they were sitting there and set on Harrell, that was the time to trade down.

This team has severe weaknesses on offense, and I can't believe anyone can really believe we addressed those.

I'm disappointed in FA--more than this draft. I don't think TT is trying to look smart. According to Mike Shanahan, Denver had targeted Harrell, so we likely wouldn't have been able to move down far to get him.

[Packers4Glory]

NFC is there for the taking and we stood pat and probably took a step back.

One area where we had a big need for improvement was special teams, and maybe some of these picks bumped us up a bit, but I still don't know how we are going to score.

WR depth and talent looks really weak as does the RB corps. TE Bubba is only a threat in the red zone, and that is questionable at this stage.


This is the only place I've seen any mention that Moss agent said he'd only renegotiate w/ that Pats...plus Jackson was available and ten times better than any of our #4 picks will likely every be.

TT picks seem to be of someone who reaches a lot in his picks hoping to hit a big one so he can have some sort of bragging rights on how much smarter he is. than everyone else. He continues to trade down and "stockpile" these late round picks which he did last yr. To me you can't keep doing that every yr, at some point you have to draft BPA at your top needs and quit trading down. Hell he could have traded down and still got his 1st rounder later. If they were sitting there and set on Harrell, that was the time to trade down.

This team has severe weaknesses on offense, and I can't believe anyone can really believe we addressed those.

I'm disappointed in FA--more than this draft. I don't think TT is trying to look smart. According to Mike Shanahan, Denver had targeted Harrell, so we likely wouldn't have been able to move down far to get him.

is there a quote somewhere that shows Shanahan talking about that?

[packrulz]

Every year we look our mocks and are disappointed when TT doesn't take guys we know. TT went to the combine, talked to the players, and watched all the film, I think he feels he picked the best athletes availiable. I think Miami reached, so did Houston and a couple others, at least he didn't trade up to get a punter. ST will be better this year, I think he improved overall depth and competition for jobs. The other NFC North teams had good drafts too though. We'll see, the roster is pretty big right now, we'll see who makes the final cut.

[BallHawk]

I'm kind of intrigued with Jackson myself... That wasn't a bad pick. Harrell was risky but not a bad pick either.

Expecting too much out of them for 07 is a mistake, though....

we need to rely on Morency and Williams, for at least the 1st half of the season.

Who is Williams?

I think he means we have to rely on Morency before we go to Jackson and we have to rely on Corey Williams until we can rely on Harrell.

[SudsMcBucky]

Hell he could have traded down and still got his 1st rounder later. If they were sitting there and set on Harrell, that was the time to trade down.

They could be wrong, but there were numerous reports during the draft, especially Mort, that stated TT WAS trying to trade down, but that everyone was trying to and couldn't find any takers without coming out on the short-end in a big way.

[retailguy]

I'm kind of intrigued with Jackson myself... That wasn't a bad pick. Harrell was risky but not a bad pick either.

Expecting too much out of them for 07 is a mistake, though....

we need to rely on Morency and Williams, for at least the 1st half of the season.

Who is Williams?

I think he means we have to rely on Morency before we go to Jackson and we have to rely on Corey Williams until we can rely on Harrell.

Yes, correct. Thank you.

[Rastak]

NFC is there for the taking and we stood pat and probably took a step back.

One area where we had a big need for improvement was special teams, and maybe some of these picks bumped us up a bit, but I still don't know how we are going to score.

WR depth and talent looks really weak as does the RB corps. TE Bubba is only a threat in the red zone, and that is questionable at this stage.


This is the only place I've seen any mention that Moss agent said he'd only renegotiate w/ that Pats...plus Jackson was available and ten times better than any of our #4 picks will likely every be.

TT picks seem to be of someone who reaches a lot in his picks hoping to hit a big one so he can have some sort of bragging rights on how much smarter he is. than everyone else. He continues to trade down and "stockpile" these late round picks which he did last yr. To me you can't keep doing that every yr, at some point you have to draft BPA at your top needs and quit trading down. Hell he could have traded down and still got his 1st rounder later. If they were sitting there and set on Harrell, that was the time to trade down.

This team has severe weaknesses on offense, and I can't believe anyone can really believe we addressed those.

I'm disappointed in FA--more than this draft. I don't think TT is trying to look smart. According to Mike Shanahan, Denver had targeted Harrell, so we likely wouldn't have been able to move down far to get him.

is there a quote somewhere that shows Shanahan talking about that?

I heard him say that on an interview on the NFLN yesterday. He did say that.

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he second thing that worries me is that he is not considered a pass rusher, but a run stuffer, but he's only 300 pounds. that seems light to me for a run stuffer. i'm worried he doesn't have the talent to rush, and he'll be too small to hold up the middle

He's going to be a passrusher. One of his strengths is his ability to disengage and make a play in the backfield. He did not have a lot of sacks, but he did have many tackles for a loss. He has a similiar body to Tommy Harris, but an inch taller with longer arms. Hopefully he can disengage as well and be as disruptive. If he can be, you can completely forgive TT for making this choice.

[Zool]

If he plays up to his draft status, Hawk, Barnett and whomever will look that much better.

[Cheesehead Craig]

We love to "grade" drafts instantly too much. Yes, I'll agree the picks are headscratchers, but we just have to wait and see how they perform on the field before we can see how they are.

As for Jackson, he was not meant to the THE GUY. TT is building a RB-by-committee approach to avoid paying the big bucks for one big back and to also make finding another back easier should one go down. There are plenty of above avg backs that can go 12-15 carries/game and be fairly effective that can then give you fresh legs throughout the game. TT is looking at that and putting his eggs in the ZBS basket to make this gamble pay off.

[MasonCrosby]

there is still a chance that TT could work a trade or sign someone cut by another team that has depth at say, the WR position. i don't think it's likely we'll see a big trade, but there is still plenty of time to make some moves...