the Aaron Kampman mold

[The Leaper]

11????

Yes. We have 11 draft picks in 2007...unless TT trades down with one of the remaining 7th rounders.



Bottom line...we don't have THAT many roster slots open. It will be very difficult for these 6th/7th rounders to make enough noise in camp to make the team over current players.

[The Leaper]

I think Jennings was a threat before his injury...esp. for a rookie.

He only scored 3 TDs last year...and his one big play was more due to Driver's blocking than Jennings' threatening ability.

Jennings should not be a starter right now. He eventually should develop into a capable starter. He's not a threat in terms of the red zone and putting points on the board, even with Favre at QB. What do you think will happen when Favre hangs them up?

[wist43]

Everybody can see that the Packers need help in certain areas - RB, TE, OT, CB, KR, and generally depth everywhere. Oh yeah, except DT, which was the deepest position on the team - and, of course, TT, just to "show us", takes a DT in the 1st round.

TT has told us over and over that he will never draft for need - and he's proving that. I think he's also proving my point of late - that he'll likely never be able to build a SB calibur team, b/c he's more interested in proving what a great talent evaluator he is, as opposed to being an all around GM that can build a Superbowl contender.

Jason Wilde went off on a rant on the radio this morning, accusing TT and the entire Packer front office of being condescending, and obsessed with proving how much smarter they are than everybody else - "we're smarterism". So at least I'm not the only one beginning to see TT as being rigid to the teams detriment.

I really don't know what to make of this 3rd draft. There are some players I like - Harrell, Jackson, Barbre, Clowney... but, is the team appreciably better after his draft???

[J-Rok]

As the Cubs fans say where I live--

Just wait for next year. We'll be sooooOooOOoo good.

[RashanGary]

Wist, is any team immediately, appreciably better with one draft?

The quality of a team is built over many off seasons.

I think we got better at DT, RB, WR

We got deeper at LB, OT

We got more competition at K

Our ST's should be improved.


Take the team after us and analyze their draft. You'll probably find that no team gets 3 rookie starters from one draft. I think you are the overly optimistic one if you acctually believed this draft was going to fill 4 starting holes.

[wist43]

Wist, is any team immediately, appreciably better with one draft?

The quality of a team is built over many off seasons.

I think we got better at DT, RB, WR

We got deeper at LB, OT

We got more competition at K

Our ST's should be improved.


Take the team after us and analyze their draft. You'll probably find that no team gets 3 rookie starters from one draft. I think you are the overly optimistic one if you acctually believed this draft was going to fill 4 starting holes.

Not buying it GJ...

Is taking a shot at Travarous Bain not at least as sensible as taking an ILB, that likely wouldn't even have been drafted, and then converting him to FB???

What sense does that make???

Yes the Packers are now better at a position that they were pretty good at to begin with - does that appreciably improve the team??? No.

I think Jackson is an upgrade at RB over Morency, but how in the world does Jones make you better at WR???

And Rouse??? He's got measurables, but everyone, and I mean everyone, readily admits that he was a putrid football player last year - had an absolutely horrible year. So Rouse makes the team - does that mean you cut your 6 round pick from last year, your 4th round pick from the year b/4, or you wasted a few million on Manuel (my personal preferrence).

Just about any way you slice it - TT seems to be running more of a revolving door of low end picks, than doing much to concentrate on shoring up weaknesses and bolstering strengths.

As I've said, I beginning to see TT as being so rigid, that I don't think him capable of putting together an entire roster that can carry us to a championship.

[ny10804]

TT has told us over and over that he will never draft for need - and he's proving that. I think he's also proving my point of late - that he'll likely never be able to build a SB calibur team, b/c he's more interested in proving what a great talent evaluator he is, as opposed to being an all around GM that can build a Superbowl contender.

Tell that to Shaun Alexander, Steve Hutchinson, Marcus Trufant, Jerramy Stevens, Koren Robinson, Marcus Tubbs, Darrell Jackson, Rocky Bernard, Josh Brown, Michael Boulware, Sean Locklear, and the rest of the players drafted by Ted that led the Seahawks to the '06 super bowl.

[run pMc]

Sorry Wist, I mostly agree with GJ

I do think we got deeper at the positions GJ named. I also think that the RB's drafted will provide good competition, but none will be able to replace Ahman alone, so we'll see a RB-by-committee.

The ILB to FB pick is a headscratcher, so I agree there...and i'm not overjoyed with the Rouse pick, but IMO he'll be the new special teams demon (sayonara Fergy) rather than Manuel's replacement. Underwood or Culver seem more likely to be the replacement.

Jones makes us better at WR if he plays better than most these NFLE guys who were on the roster last year and then invited back to camp. I don't think TT wanted to dip that deeply into the rookie FA/NFLE pool for WR's again, especially after seeing what the O looked like after losing KoRo, Fergy, and Jennings. It was painful to watch DD getting double and triple covered. I'm not giving up on Jones before he plays a down.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Is taking a shot at Travarous Bain not at least as sensible as taking an ILB, that likely wouldn't even have been drafted, and then converting him to FB???

Didn't Bain go undrafted? Man, that would have been a wasted draft pick. If they want him, they can go get him now.

[Partial]

GJ Detroit got significantly better because they added one player. Even if they only added that one player, they got significantly better.

The draft is all about hitting the home run even if the rest if crap.

It might work out better for your team if you take your first, draft it, and trade all your other picks for another first and second, or something to that effect.

[HarveyWallbangers]

We don't know if we hit a home run or not yet.

[MJZiggy]

We don't know if we hit a home run or not yet.

Very true. One could argue TT hit a home run with Murphy and look how that turned out.

[wist43]

Is taking a shot at Travarous Bain not at least as sensible as taking an ILB, that likely wouldn't even have been drafted, and then converting him to FB???

Didn't Bain go undrafted? Man, that would have been a wasted draft pick. If they want him, they can go get him now.

Bain or some other CB... what's the difference. Hall and Bishop, and then they signed two more LB's in FA???

Does that mean they cut White and Hodge??? And essentially admit to wasting last years 3rd, or do that admit to wasting this years 6th's... all three of them????!!!!!

Then TT goes off on the "positional competition" mantra... competition at some positions, and no competition at others???

Awesome depth at one position, and no depth at others??? Does building a team even enter into his equation??? I think the answer is obviously no.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Bain or some other CB... what's the difference. Hall and Bishop, and then they signed two more LB's in FA???

I didn't like the Bishop pick because he looks like Abdul Hodge on tape, and that's not a good thing after Hodge's rookie year. He's just too damned slow. They didn't really take back-to-back TEs because they are moving the first kid to FB. More than anything else, they think he has a chance to be really good on special teams. It looks like they felt that any corner they drafted then wouldn't be much better than a corner they could sign as a rookie FA.

[pbmax]

It is beyond me that people think DT was the deepest position, deep with what? Dreck?

Especially now that Jenkins is at end, the DTs in the 14th ranked run defense (by average per carry allowed, 4.1) cannot be characterized by depth.

They can most accurately be characterized by mediocrity.

Everybody can see that the Packers need help in certain areas - RB, TE, OT, CB, KR, and generally depth everywhere. Oh yeah, except DT, which was the deepest position on the team - and, of course, TT, just to "show us", takes a DT in the 1st round.