Yeah....TT was thinking about Favre.

[GrnBay007]

What, did you think that those people in the Atrium were booing TT because they didnt like his tie?

Because, ultimately, the 12 year-olds of Wisconsin know more than a whole scouting department.

C'mon ballhawk, you have to admit, that group of seven or so young people they showed in that quick clip of the atrium did not make all that noise. That initial reaction was really no different then the majority of the people following the draft thread in this forum..........notice how I say initial reaction?

[ZachMN]

I remember a receiver being drafted late last year like number 252 who turned out to be pretty good. Given that fact how smart are all the "experts" and GM's?? They are making educated guesses. No one knows who is going to be good so to piss and moan and act like TT is an idiot is simply ridiculous. They play the games for real and until I see this team tank I will not pass judgement based on what scouts say. Every year guys who are "can't miss" turn out to be busts or average. Ron Wolf drafted Jamal Reynolds for chrissakes!
I just want the malaise that Sherman brought to 1265 Lombardi ave to be eradicated for EVER! Go PACK

And for what its worth as much as Favre has meant to me as a lifelong fan in Minnesota and to Packer nation the team comes first so this selfish stuff about getting him a ring has got to stop. He is one play away from being gone forever and the team will have to be strong to fill in the void of losing a Legend. TT is way ahead of the detractors.........Strong lines on both sides of the ball perfect strategy- they are the foundation of the game and the peripheral pieces will be easier to plug in later once the foundation is laid....

[Packnut]

Fans

Take a few deep breaths guys! While the original post in this thread might not be the general view of the people on this forum, it should not be met with name calling. I would bet there are quite a few Packer fans out there in Packerland that would agree with it. This is a place to post opinions/thoughts to provide Packer discussion, not to bash someone's views that don't agree with your own. Seek out a discussion on the matter rather than bash the original idea.

Actually, if you check most of the sites that have opinion polls, a large majority of Packer fans believe this draft pretty much sucked. So do most of the people who cover football for a living. The ONLY ones enamored with this draft are the Thompson sheep. They will try to tell you the fans are ignorant and know nothing, yet they are fans also so why assume they know anything?

The facts speak for themselves. We have sucked in the red zone for the last 3 years. Nothing has been done to fix that. I would love for just one of the sheep to explain in football terms how the red zone problems are fixed?
But they can't, so they try to bully anyone who dis-agrees with what's going on. All they do is spout the same old BS with no real answers.

When you try to corner and of the sheep with direct questions, all you get is wishfull thinking. They would'nt know a FACT if it jumped up and bit them in the ass.

When you debate a point, you use fact and logic. You base future assumptions on past preformance. Wishfull thinking is for losers who have NOTHING to back up their point. Tell me with FACT what Thompson has done since the season ended to fix the red zone?

And for you clowns who believe all fans are stupid and un-important, let me explain that the FANS are the ones who support the team through tickets, merchandise and watching on tv which create revenue. Fans do have a right to dis-agree whether you like it or not. This forum is here to discuss a variety of opinions and though we all want the same result, we differ on how to get there.

[retailguy]

Re: Fans

Actually, if you check most of the sites that have opinion polls, a large majority of Packer fans believe this draft pretty much sucked. So do most of the people who cover football for a living. The ONLY ones enamored with this draft are the Thompson sheep. They will try to tell you the fans are ignorant and know nothing, yet they are fans also so why assume they know anything?

The facts speak for themselves. We have sucked in the red zone for the last 3 years. Nothing has been done to fix that. I would love for just one of the sheep to explain in football terms how the red zone problems are fixed?
But they can't, so they try to bully anyone who dis-agrees with what's going on. All they do is spout the same old BS with no real answers.

When you try to corner and of the sheep with direct questions, all you get is wishfull thinking. They would'nt know a FACT if it jumped up and bit them in the ass.

When you debate a point, you use fact and logic. You base future assumptions on past preformance. Wishfull thinking is for losers who have NOTHING to back up their point. Tell me with FACT what Thompson has done since the season ended to fix the red zone?

And for you clowns who believe all fans are stupid and un-important, let me explain that the FANS are the ones who support the team through tickets, merchandise and watching on tv which create revenue. Fans do have a right to dis-agree whether you like it or not. This forum is here to discuss a variety of opinions and though we all want the same result, we differ on how to get there.

I'm on the wrong side of the fence for this one Packnut, but I'll tell you why the redzone sucked last season. That's because Bubba was earning his keep by blocking and not catching.

The simple fact is, that the line did not play as well as is remembered here. They've got a LONG way to go before they arrive at the "adequate" junction. Only then can they abandon "max protect". Losing that weapon in the red zone is what killed their efficiency last season. Favre needs multiple weapons, if he has them, he'll find one of them. If he's got one guy, sometimes he'll get that guy, and sometimes, he'll get the opposing defense...

Max Protect is THE biggest single reason for red zone efficiency (or lack thereof) last season.

[GoPackGo]

good point kool-aid

[ND72]

I don't know if any of you caught the story on sportscenter, but Randy Moss refused to a physical with the Packers, essentually refusing a trade to Green Bay. The Raiders contacted Bus Cook, asked of which 3 teams Randy would go to a physical for, and the only team he agreed to was New England. Can't blame Ted Thompson if he was trying to get him, but he refused the trade.

[Partial]

What, did you think that those people in the Atrium were booing TT because they didnt like his tie?

Because, ultimately, the 12 year-olds of Wisconsin know more than a whole scouting department.

The entire spirits bar that WSSP had its celebration at was booing. No one expected that guy.

[packers11]

I don't know if any of you caught the story on sportscenter, but Randy Moss refused to a physical with the Packers, essentually refusing a trade to Green Bay. The Raiders contacted Bus Cook, asked of which 3 teams Randy would go to a physical for, and the only team he agreed to was New England.

REALLY? wow... Im shocked... I thought he wanted to play with Favre

[GrnBay007]

Why is Bus Cook saying that? He's not his agent anymore, is he?

But I did hear the same thing about refusing a physical for GB.


(up yours randy ) :P

[cheesner]

Re: Fans

Take a few deep breaths guys! While the original post in this thread might not be the general view of the people on this forum, it should not be met with name calling. I would bet there are quite a few Packer fans out there in Packerland that would agree with it. This is a place to post opinions/thoughts to provide Packer discussion, not to bash someone's views that don't agree with your own. Seek out a discussion on the matter rather than bash the original idea.

Actually, if you check most of the sites that have opinion polls, a large majority of Packer fans believe this draft pretty much sucked. So do most of the people who cover football for a living. The ONLY ones enamored with this draft are the Thompson sheep. They will try to tell you the fans are ignorant and know nothing, yet they are fans also so why assume they know anything?

The facts speak for themselves. We have sucked in the red zone for the last 3 years. Nothing has been done to fix that. I would love for just one of the sheep to explain in football terms how the red zone problems are fixed?
But they can't, so they try to bully anyone who dis-agrees with what's going on. All they do is spout the same old BS with no real answers.

When you try to corner and of the sheep with direct questions, all you get is wishfull thinking. They would'nt know a FACT if it jumped up and bit them in the ass.

When you debate a point, you use fact and logic. You base future assumptions on past preformance. Wishfull thinking is for losers who have NOTHING to back up their point. Tell me with FACT what Thompson has done since the season ended to fix the red zone?

And for you clowns who believe all fans are stupid and un-important, let me explain that the FANS are the ones who support the team through tickets, merchandise and watching on tv which create revenue. Fans do have a right to dis-agree whether you like it or not. This forum is here to discuss a variety of opinions and though we all want the same result, we differ on how to get there.

Fix the red zone? What about getting a consistent pass rush. Or stopping giving up the big pass play? Or how about overall improvement of our special teams?

There is more wrong with the Packers than just more efficiency in the red zone. One draft nor one player is going to make the Packers suddenly a powerhouse. It will take patient building through the draft.

The Packer fan favorite last season was to draft WR Jackson in the 2nd. Packer favorite the year before was Earnest Shazor, TT opted for unknown Nick Collins. Shazor didn't get drafted. Nick could be a budding star. I have not seen anyone state that fans are un-important, but I have seen many unintelligent posts by uninformed reactionary fans.

[BallHawk]

Why is Bus Cook saying that? He's not his agent anymore, is he? (up yours randy ) :P

Didn't Randy's agent get busted for being found in a hotel room with a prostitute and some rocks?

[RashanGary]

Re: Fans

I'm on the wrong side of the fence for this one Packnut, but I'll tell you why the redzone sucked last season. That's because Bubba was earning his keep by blocking and not catching.

The simple fact is, that the line did not play as well as is remembered here. They've got a LONG way to go before they arrive at the "adequate" junction. Only then can they abandon "max protect". Losing that weapon in the red zone is what killed their efficiency last season. Favre needs multiple weapons, if he has them, he'll find one of them. If he's got one guy, sometimes he'll get that guy, and sometimes, he'll get the opposing defense...

Max Protect is THE biggest single reason for red zone efficiency (or lack thereof) last season.

Good post RG, I'd add that the lines inability to get a push in the run game was amplified in the redzone too so it was a double whammy. The line was, IMO, almost fully responsible for the struggles in the red zone last year.

I think the QB and teh recievers are pretty good if healthy. I think the RB stable is below average but servicable right now. I think the line will make or break the offense in 2007.

I'm a bit of an optimist but I expect those young guys to really step up.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Fans

When you try to corner and of the sheep with direct questions, all you get is wishfull thinking. They would'nt know a FACT if it jumped up and bit them in the ass.

My, my - such passion.

I personally think you're too emotionally invested in Thompson's total failure to be objective. Any mention of hope or benefit of the doubt just seems to deepen your resolve. Well enjoy your misery if that's your thing. I plan on remaining neutral until I see how this plays out.

Anybody that uses Kyle Trembley as the expert to bolster his point of view has no business bitching about other peoples lack of facts.

[PackerBlues]

"I have not seen anyone state that fans are un-important, but I have seen many unintelligent posts by uninformed reactionary fans."


wow cheesner, there you go saying things about other people being un-intelligent and uninformed. Enlighten us all. It seems that you are the only person here who has ever read a newspaper, visited a website, or watched a packer game. At the very least it seems that your opinion is the only one that matters. Enlighten us and share your vast knowledge. LMFAO!!!!!

[J-Rok]

Simmer down, gentlemen. We're all fans of the same team. Don't let that dumb Bearman seperate us.