Brett upset

[mraynrand]

TT should feel no shame in losing out to the best Coach/GM tandem in NFL history. And Packer fans need to get a grip. Moss is a talented shit stain and it boggles my mind the number of people who really wanted that slug in a Packer uni. WTF? How low can you sink for a couple of TDs? Next thing you know, the Packers will be signing a multiple DUI jailbird to play WR.

[MJZiggy]

Next thing you know, the Packers will be signing a multiple DUI jailbird to play WR.

Great idea!!!

[MadtownPacker]

Damn, this story makes me sick. As one of the idiots who wanted moss in GB I have to admit I am glad a trade didnt happen if the SOB didnt want to be here.

But I like the highlights of Clowney. Dude looks like a legit deep threat.

[Merlin]

I wanted Moss here as well. I agree that Moss wants a super bowl more then being a team that's not there yet. At this point in his career, if I were him and you offered me a choice between winning a super bowl and "maybe" making the playoffs, I would choose the super bowl as well. I don't blame him at all for his decision.

[FritzDontBlitz]

Moss went to where he will have the best chance at a championship. Time to move on.

agreed.

i predict our wr rotation will be dd, k-rob (should the goody man reinstate him), doc holiday, greg jennings and one of the draftees edging out ruvell martin at the final cut. should k-rob be unavailable then keep ruvell.

here's an intriguing thought: imagine the possibilities if m3 convinced ruvell to put on an extra 20-30 lbs. so he could make the roster as one of our three tight ends? being 6'4" he definitely has the height necessary for the position....

[fan4life]

That story is wrong (according to sources close to Favre.)

TT blew the deal. He tried to string out both Al Davis (by not offering better than a fourth) and lowball Randy Moss. NE swooped in and appeased both parties, leaving TT holding the bag.

Now... you can argue that RM doesn't fit the team, etc.... but I don't buy it. If Randy Moss is good enough for New England, who the he)) are any of you to think that he wouldn't have helped the Packers?

Try to keep a straight face when you tell me that the Jones kid is going to help the Packers now -- or ever -- more than Randy Moss would have.

Favre-to-Moss may not have gotten us to the SB, but it would have gotten us fan and media excitement, expecially as Favre nears smashing Elway's records.

Instead, TT is the laughing stock of the NFL.

[Lurker64]

That story is wrong (according to sources close to Favre.)

Ones you made up or credible ones you can cite?

[retailguy]

That story is wrong (according to sources close to Favre.)

Ones you made up or credible ones you can cite?

Not that I support the above opinions, but Lurker, I have to add, we had a bunch of "credible" sources regarding the Moss trade, and how many of them were correct?...

Please define "credible" for me....

[LL2]

That story is wrong (according to sources close to Favre.)

Ones you made up or credible ones you can cite?

Yes, please post this source.

Also, I do not think TT is building this team with Favre in mind (or not in mind). He's building this team based on his "plan", and if Favre happens to fall into the picture then great. I believe TT is trying to build a team that will be good for 5-10 years, and if it takes baby steps to get there then so be it. If we finish 9-7 or 10-6 this year i sure hope TT puts aside his conservative ways a little bit and goes for players that can help put us over the top.

[Lurker64]

Not that I support the above opinions, but Lurker, I have to add, we had a bunch of "credible" sources regarding the Moss trade, and how many of them were correct?...

Please define "credible" for me....

Mostly my observation is that virtually everything we've heard about the Moss trade from all sources has been completely unsubstantiated. All we hear about is shadowy "sources close to" key figures, while none of the people who are actually in position to know these things do anything but vehemently deny the rumors. Which admittedly is something they might do if they're true, but it's certainly something they'd do if it's false so it's a wash.

I fully expect that at least 95% of everything I've heard about the Moss trade from the initial post of this thread, to the post I was responding to, to stuff on ESPN or NFLN or in a Boston Newspaper was complete hogwash.

The only people who really know what happened or did not happen is Al Davis, Ted Thompson, Scott Pioli, and Randy Moss. Until one of them comes out and says "Yup, that's what happened" I'm not really going to accept "Sources close to..." as a valid source.

We're probably never going to know what went on with Thompson and Davis regarding this trade, since it's professional courtesy to not talk about this sort of thing after the fact. So people biases against Thompson spin it against Thompson, people with biases against Moss spin it against Moss, people with biases against Davis spin it against Davis, etc.

The fact is that we don't know what happened or nearly happened no matter how much we want to think we do based on how well we think we know the key players.

[Patler]

At least this had SOME credibility:

By Adam Schefter
NFL Analyst

(April 29, 2007) -- On Draft Weekend 2007, the biggest tremors in the football world came from a trade between the New England Patriots and Oakland Raiders.

...
Moss already has agreed to dramatically restructure his contract, which is scheduled to pay him $9.75 million this coming season. New England was the one and only place Moss would agree to take a reduced contract, and he did so knowing that he would have the chance to win a Super Bowl. With the off-season that New England has had, no team in football has a better chance.

[woodbuck27]

Moss went to where he will have the best chance at a championship. Time to move on.

That's a . . . BIG TIME !

The players interests are best served by 'the player'.

[fan4life]

Two of my sources:

On 4-28 Bob McGinn, of the JSO wrote:

One way or another today, the Green Bay Packers fully intend to acquire a wide receiver and a running back.

The wide receiver could be Oakland's Randy Moss, the mercurial deep threat. Green Bay has expressed interest in Moss since February, and with Raiders owner Al Davis now actively trying to trade him, general manager Ted Thompson just might make that deal.

If not, the Packers have targeted a pair of wide receivers, Tennessee's Robert Meachem and Louisiana State's Dwayne Bowe, with the 16th pick in the National Football League draft.

Then today, McGinn said:

Green Bay wanted Moss. Remember that. But the Packers didn't get him. It may reflect the comparative luster of the GB and NE franchises. It might reflect Brady vs. Favre. It might reflect Thompson/McCarthy vs. Belichick. It may reflect the Fox Valley vs. New England/Boston. And it may reflect how much Thompson was willing to give.

Then this from Brett Favre's pilot :

...Brett is burning. He had lobbied hard to bring Moss here to Green Bay. This includes conversations with TT and suggestions that all three get on the phone together. In regard to money my source said Favre was willing to rework his contract and Moss was maybe willing to take a cut. As the facts keep coming out your not going to like them.... (Then later) When the facts come out and they eventually will, we will find out just how cheap New England picked Moss up. We may also find out how little TT did to get Moss here... (Then later) You can already take the refusal to restructure and throw that out the window. Who mentioned 3 million yesterday? Thank You. Now wait till you find out Favre wanted to get involved and was told directly by TT to stay out of it. (Then, in regard to the story on PFT) he said, : This story is 100% wrong. LOL

Now, you guys can belittle my sources... or criticize my judgement. That's fair... my rants are only my opinion, and I'm not going to get into a pissing match about who's opinion is right.

But here are the facts:
TT did nothing on the first day of the draft to improve the the WR corps, probably assuming he had both RM and Al Davis where he wanted them. Then, after the second round, when he could have given up a pick (perhaps the one he used for Jones) and done more to get Moss under contract, he failed. Instead, he had a fool's pride and lost the opportunity to get the impact player he BY ALL ACCOUNTS had targeted, and let himself get snookered by NE.

Mike Vandermause expressed best how I feel about Thompson:

That go-for-the-throat mentality appears to be lacking in Thompson, who seems too willing to allow other teams to force the action and dictate terms.

That doesn't seem like the definition of a winner to me. It's sounds like mediocrity. And that's why I'm upset.

[HarveyWallbangers]

How does this prove the theory that Thompson lowballed Al Davis and blew the deal? It could be that Randy Moss just wanted to play in New England more, and there's nothing Thompson could have done. It sounds like a deal was in place (so apparently he offered enough to Oakland), but Moss could dictate where he went--not Thompson nor the Raiders. He agreed to restructure his deal for NE only (according to NFL.com reporter Adam Schefter), and his contract was such that it was not feasible for a team to take on his current contract. Not at $10M/year. I guess I don't see what your point is. Moss chose to go to New England. Not much you can do.

[Lurker64]

How does this prove the theory that Thompson lowballed Al Davis and blew the deal?

That's what I'm wondering as well.