Brett upset

[PackerBlues]

Well put Fan4Life. I keep hearing about how TT is building for the future. My question is....when will that be? Am I going to hear the same thing at the end of the offseason next year? While I agree that some of the "big name" free agents may not fit the Packers needs, it seems to me that TT would much rather gamble for talent in the draft than spend money on any free agent. Woodson was not signed until the fans really started screaming, and if they hadnt.....I dont think TT would have even considered it.
Is it pride? Ego? Vanity? Or is it simply his "Plan"? Personally, I am getting a little fed up with hearing that TT just doesnt like free agents and that he likes to build through the draft. I think he has torn apart far more than he has built so far......just my opinion.

Again.......How long do we have to wait for the "future" to get here?

[Patler]

Funny, you can just as easily argue that the selection of Harrell was a "go for the throat, throw caution to the wind" pick, like Wolf would have done.

After all, the EXPERTS agree the Packers didn't need a DT.
Harrell could be an oft-injured wasted pick in three years.
Harrell could be an all-pro in three years, turning a decent line into a great one.

Isn't that just the kind of risk some of the columnists are accusing TT of not being willing to take?

[Patler]

Woodson was not signed until the fans really started screaming, and if they hadnt.....I dont think TT would have even considered it.

I seriously doubt that the fans' complaints had one bit of influence on the Woodson decision.

[MJZiggy]

I'm with Patler here. TT is not here for the popularity contest and is not going to let fan wishes influence doing what he feels is best for the team. At the time, with the options he had available, Woodson was the best option for the team--an option that worked out quite well.

[fan4life]

How does this prove the theory that Thompson lowballed Al Davis and blew the deal? It could be that Randy Moss just wanted to play in New England more, and there's nothing Thompson could have done. It sounds like a deal was in place (so apparently he offered enough to Oakland), but Moss could dictate where he went--not Thompson nor the Raiders. He agreed to restructure his deal for NE only (according to NFL.com reporter Adam Schefter), and his contract was such that it was feasible for a team to take on his current contract. Not at $10M/year. I guess I don't see what your point is. Moss chose to go to New England. Not much you can do.

I'm saying that Adam Schefter is talking to TT's people who are trying to cover their butt, and that there are other sources saying that RM would have renegotiated his contract (maybe not as low as he did for NE) but didn't get the chance, because NE swept in and offered Al Davis something better than what TT was willing to give.

When TT failed to offer Davis the pick he used on Rouse, he opened the door for NE. I didn't need to read the paper Sunday morning to know that TT had been bested; when I saw that Oakland had picked up a pick from NE on Saturday night (#91 - it was reported that "The Raiders did not give up Randy Moss for that third-round pick; the Raiders gave up their third-round pick in 2008") I figured NE had made a "good faith" move with Davis and had bought themselves time to get Moss under contract. The trade of Moss for NE's 4th round pick on Sunday was just a formality.

I'm curious.... didn't anyone else figure out that something was going on when that went down?

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm saying that Adam Schefter is talking to TT's people who are trying to cover their butt, and that there are other sources saying that RM would have renegotiated his contract (maybe not as low as he did for NE) but didn't get the chance, because NE swept in and offered Al Davis something better than what TT was willing to give.

Where is this source?

[fan4life]

Adam Schefter's employer is the NFL (nfl.com); he is not into rumour mongering (although he has been known to leak information heard around league offices.) And I'm sure Adam was right. It is my belief (ie, I'm not going to cite a source) that by Saturday night, RM didn't have to renegotiate anything with GB; he had already, "in principle" been traded to NE.

Brett Favre's people say that RM was willing to restructure, and I choose to believe them.

[woodbuck27]

FIRST.
Can we establish what pick that Oakland secured fr. NE in the Randy Moss acquisition ?? It's being deemed a fourth round pick.

Is that correct??

I thought it was this pick? :

In Round 5

28 165 Oakland (from New England) Frampton, Eric SS 5-11 205 Washington State

Am I correct??

[HarveyWallbangers]

Brett Favre's people say that RM was willing to restructure, and I choose to believe them.

LOL

[fan4life]

Saturday night, with the 91st pick in the draft, Oakland takes tackle Mario Henderson in a pick picked up from the Pats. It is reported that the pick was not for Moss, but rather in consideration for a 3rd-round pick in 2008 (yeah, right).

Then, in the fourth round, the Raiders take Michael Bush with the #100 pick, and at #110, use the pick they got from the Pats to take John Bowie, defensive back from Cincinnati. The Packers took Barbre @#119.

Meanwhile, GBP used their 3rd round picks (#76 and #89, if I remember correctly) to take Jones and Rouse. Either one of which they could have traded to Oakland, ahead of NE.

[Lurker64]

You know, now that I think about it. I'd rather have Barbre than Moss.

[fan4life]

Brett Favre's people say that RM was willing to restructure, and I choose to believe them.

LOL

Go ahead and laugh. There were numerous reports out prior to the draft that RM would restructure his contract to get out of Oakland, so I find it laughable to not believe that a player who just took a 1-yr $3.5mil/incentive-laden contract wouldn't have been willing to rework his contract with GBP. But then again, if you think TT was dealing from the same base of strength that NE was .... then any discussion is useless.

[fan4life]

You know, now that I think about it. I'd rather have Barbre than Moss.

LOL

[Bretsky]

Funny, you can just as easily argue that the selection of Harrell was a "go for the throat, throw caution to the wind" pick, like Wolf would have done.

After all, the EXPERTS agree the Packers didn't need a DT.
Harrell could be an oft-injured wasted pick in three years.
Harrell could be an all-pro in three years, turning a decent line into a great one.

Isn't that just the kind of risk some of the columnists are accusing TT of not being willing to take?

One might also argue that the selection of Harell was a CYA pick for a GM figuring there was a good chance he's losing one of his top DT's in Corey Williams soon.

I dont' buy either argument myself; but one you go either way.

[Patler]

One might also argue that the selection of Harell was a CYA pick for a GM figuring there was a good chance he's losing one of his top DT's in Corey Williams soon. .

Isn't that exactly what a good GM is SUPPOSED to do?

Wouldn't it have been better if Sherman had at least one decent guard on the roster three years ago to ensure against the possibility that one or both of Rivera and Wahle would leave?

Wolf was a great CYA'er!