Roster

[Patler]

It's really amazing how TT did nothing to address needs. It's one thing to make a mistake drafting for need; it's quite another to deliberately avoid drafting players at positions of need - seemingly just to make a point.

Huh?
2nd - RB
3rd - WR & SS
5th - WR
7th - RB & TE

Looks like 6 picks addressing needs to me.

If Barbre can play LT, you can even argue that was a need pick. It looks like the first round was "best available" and the next 5 picks, with a group of similarly talented players, all went to positions of need.

[wist43]

How does James Jones help the WR situation??? We already have 6 guys just like him. Clowney at least made sense from a skills and developmental standpoint.

Is Jackson and every down back??? If not, it's a wasted pick... personally, I think Jackson is better than Morency, but not an every down back.

At Safety, I'm higher on Underwood than I am Rouse at this point... Every scout in the country went on and on about how terrible Rouse played last year. He was drafted strictly on his measureables. Given what the Packers do on defense, how does he fit???

Overall, how did TT really improve the roster??? Are his bottom end guys this year simply going to move the bottom end guys from last year off the roster??? And then we're going to do it again next year with the next crop of 18 draft choices???

TT drafted some decent players, and there are a couple of guys with upside, but at the end of the day - the Packers really aren't any better.

I say this, despite the fact that I'm warming up to the Harrell pick to the point where I think he has a chance to be a hell of a player.

[wist43]

It's really amazing how TT did nothing to address needs. It's one thing to make a mistake drafting for need; it's quite another to deliberately avoid drafting players at positions of need - seemingly just to make a point.

Huh?
2nd - RB
3rd - WR & SS
5th - WR
7th - RB & TE

Looks like 6 picks addressing needs to me.

If Barbre can play LT, you can even argue that was a need pick. It looks like the first round was "best available" and the next 5 picks, with a group of similarly talented players, all went to positions of need.

I didn't see SS as a need, as I'm higher on Underwood than most I guess. Jackson has a chance, but as I said...

James Jones is going to fill the void at WR??? Even if he tops out at being a #3...

You think the TE he drafted is the answer???

With the exception of Jackson... all of those picks are ST picks. The Packers had the worst ST in the league last year. I'm beginning to look at this draft as the "ST draft".

[HarveyWallbangers]

How does James Jones help the WR situation??? We already have 6 guys just like him. Clowney at least made sense from a skills and developmental standpoint.

So, he drafted one deep threat, but you wanted him to draft two or more?

Is Jackson and every down back??? If not, it's a wasted pick... personally, I think Jackson is better than Morency, but not an every down back.

They have both Morency and Jackson on the roster. I guess I don't see this huge need for a 25-30 carry RB--if you have two guys that can do a good job with 15-20 carries. Seemed to work for New England, Chicago, New Orleans, and Indianapolis.

At Safety, I'm higher on Underwood than I am Rouse at this point... Every scout in the country went on and on about how terrible Rouse played last year. He was drafted strictly on his measureables. Given what the Packers do on defense, how does he fit???

Any player drafted will have scouts something poor about him. It's not like we had 5 1st round draft picks.

[HarveyWallbangers]

SS is as big of a need as TE or WR. Get that solidified, and get good play out of the likes of Blackmon and Walker, and there's a solid chance that this is a legit top 10 defense.

[Patler]

How does James Jones help the WR situation??? We already have 6 guys just like him. Clowney at least made sense from a skills and developmental standpoint.

Is Jackson and every down back??? If not, it's a wasted pick... personally, I think Jackson is better than Morency, but not an every down back.

At Safety, I'm higher on Underwood than I am Rouse at this point... Every scout in the country went on and on about how terrible Rouse played last year. He was drafted strictly on his measureables. Given what the Packers do on defense, how does he fit???

Overall, how did TT really improve the roster??? Are his bottom end guys this year simply going to move the bottom end guys from last year off the roster??? And then we're going to do it again next year with the next crop of 18 draft choices???

TT drafted some decent players, and there are a couple of guys with upside, but at the end of the day - the Packers really aren't any better.

I say this, despite the fact that I'm warming up to the Harrell pick to the point where I think he has a chance to be a hell of a player.

I think Jones might be a guy they can go to in the red zone. They lacked that last year. Driver and Jennings both become less effective when the field gets smaller becasue of their size. Jones might be a possesion receiver bigger than what they have, other than Ruvell Martin. He should be a more polished receiver than Martin, pushing Martin down the depth chart to where he should be, 5th, 6th or gone. Clowney gives the speed they sorely lacked. I think combined Jones and Clowney fill some of the gaps in the WR group. Not all-pros, but the group will be better.

Jackson and Morency are both every down backs, but perhaps not everydown all game backs. Combined they can be used for every down all game. Splitting time somewhat equally between them could be a better combination than the mostly-Green, sometimes-Morrency combo last year, which was not real effective.

Rouse is a long shot. TT took a chance that he can be more like he was his Junior year, and not like last year. Apparently VERY physical, with tremendous size for a safety. I also saw one mention of possibly using him as a quasi LB in some defenses. Sometimes its worth a shot with a guy, if you think you can coach something into him. If not, he wouldn't be the first safety or corner who makes a team strictly for ST play. If a starter is hurt, the next week someone normally inactive moves ahead of him on the depth chart, and he still just plays ST..

[swede]

I'm beginning to look at this draft as the "ST draft".

Wist says we're gonna have great special teams this year! Awesome!

[MJZiggy]

I'm beginning to look at this draft as the "ST draft".

Wist says we're gonna have great special teams this year! Awesome!

It may be the nicest thing he says 'til training camp...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Carlton Brewster is on pace to set the single season receiving records in NFL Europa.


Likely doesn't mean squat, but receivers like Brian Finneran, Marcus Robinson, Bill Schroeder, Ruvell Martin, Dane Looker, among others, got their start in NFLE.

Other famous NFLE Alumni are Adam Vinatieri, Darren Bennett, Kurt Warner, Ben Hamilton (great OG for Denver), David Akers, Brian Waters (great OG for KC), Jake Delhomme, Paul Spicer (starting DE for Jacksonville), Michael Lewis, Joe Andruzzi, Marco Rivera, and Dante Hall.

You have to start somewhere. I'm glad he's tearing it up. I've watched one game he's played in, and I thought he looked good.

[Bretsky]

Carlton Brewster is on pace to set the single season receiving records in NFL Europa.


Likely doesn't mean squat, but receivers like Brian Finneran, Marcus Robinson, Bill Schroeder, Ruvell Martin, Dane Looker, among others, got their start in NFLE.

Other famous NFLE Alumni are Adam Vinatieri, Darren Bennett, Kurt Warner, Ben Hamilton (great OG for Denver), David Akers, Brian Waters (great OG for KC), Jake Delhomme, Paul Spicer (starting DE for Jacksonville), Michael Lewis, Joe Andruzzi, Marco Rivera, and Dante Hall.

You have to start somewhere. I'm glad he's tearing it up. I've watched one game he's played in, and I thought he looked good.

Good for the Brewman; I'm cheering for him.

The Brewers look real good; wonder if they'll be around in September ?

[woodbuck27]

My take today is it will be this:

Offense

QB Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Ingle Martin

RB Vernand Morency, Brandon Jackson, Noah Herron,

FB Brandon Miree, DeShawn Wynn

WR Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Robert Ferguson or Koren Robinson, Ruvell Martin,

one of James Jones or David Clowney or Carlyle Holliday or Shaun Bodiford,Carlton Brewster (looking good in NFLE)

TE Bubba Franks, Donald Lee, Tory Humphrey

OT Chad Clifton, Mark Tauscher, Allen Barbre,

Kevin Barry's times up !

OG Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz, Tony Moll, Adam Stenavich

C Scott Wells, Junius Coston or Tony Palmer

Defense

DE Aaron Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila,

Michael Montgomery or Jason Hunter

DT Ryan Pickett, Justin Harrell, Corey Williams,

Colin Cole or Johnny Jolly

LB A.J. Hawk, Nick Barnett, Brady Poppinga,

(two of Abdul Hodge, Desmond Bishop, Tracy White, Spencer Havner

CB Al Harris, Charles Woodson,

(two of. . . Will Blackmon or Frank Walker or Patrick Dendy)

S Nick Collins, Marquand Manuel,

(two of: Aaron Rouse, Marviel Underwood, Tyrone Culver, Charlie Peprah)

K Dave Rayner, or Mason Crosby will be the man to beat out.

P Jon Ryan[/quote]

That will go a long way towords our 53 man roster. . . and our taxi squad.

[HarveyWallbangers]

At WR, I think it's more likely that it will be Jones and Clowney and one of Martin, Bodiford, Holliday, and Brewster.

[vince]

Offense

QB Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Ingle Martin

RB Brandon Jackson, Vernand Morency, Arliss Beach, Noah Herron

FB Brandon Miree, Korey Hall

WR Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Carlyle Holliday, Ruvell Martin, David Clowney

TE Bubba Franks, Donald Lee, Clark Harris

OT Chad Clifton, Mark Tauscher, Allen Barbre

OG Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz, Tony Moll, Junius Coston

C Scott Wells

Defense

DE Aaron Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, Michael Montgomery

DT Ryan Pickett, Justin Harrell, Corey Williams, Johnny Jolly

LB A.J. Hawk, Nick Barnett, Brady Poppinga, Abdul Hodge, Desmond Bishop, Tracy White

CB Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Will Blackmon, Frank Walker, Patrick Dendy

S Nick Collins, Marviel Underwood, Aaron Rouse, Tyrone Culver, Charlie Peprah

K Mason Crosby

P Jon Ryan

LS Rob Davis


With the exception of TE, I like that team. We'll see how quickly they come together, as the early schedule is brutal, but contrary to many of the vociferous detractors here, I believe that young foundation is deep and talented.

I expect the the young interior of the offensive line to take a big leap forward this year, which hopefully, will aid the TE's. Bubba needs to rebound in a big way.

And with the progression of Underwood, Culver, and Peprah, combined with the addiiton of Rouse, Manual gets the axe (a guy can wish can't he?).

[Merlin]

Noah Heron will be one of the top 3 RB's. Beach and Pope will not beat him out. I think people underestimate his value. I also would like to see Ingle Martin beat out Aaron Rodgers. I don't think it will happen because TT won't allow Martin the same considerations that Rodgers has had.

[woodbuck27]

Noah Heron will be one of the top 3 RB's. Beach and Pope will not beat him out. I think people underestimate his value. I also would like to see Ingle Martin beat out Aaron Rodgers. I don't think it will happen because TT won't allow Martin the same considerations that Rodgers has had.

Noah Herron has alot of heart.