Browns wanted to trade up with packers

[Cheesehead Craig]

Too much is being made out of this. You trade your first round pick, it had better be for something special. Not simply just swapping pick position in a couple of rounds and a questionable 1st rounder next year.

[Zool]

So win now or the fans are pissed. Might as well draft a guy that you think can help you do that.

Better trade out of the first round or the fans are pissed cause winning next year is the goal? You really cant have it both ways.

[Partial]

Absolutely, I would have done that deal in a heartbeat...

Go into next years draft with a likely top 10 pick (Cleveland's), and a another one in the 15-20 range???

TT said he doesn't really consider trading for next years #1 a viable approach b/c "too much can happen in a year"... what kind of logic is that???

I have to say this and it goes beyond just logic:

With him (TT) at the helm.

What a load of hoseshit.

With that deal in. There would be an excellent opportunity for two top ten picks in 2008.

Or, we could have a top ten pick because we didn't add a playmaker in the first round, and the browns could win a superbowl.

[wist43]

In 5 years, we'll still be saying, "win now??? we don't need to stinking win now!!!".

TT doesn't have a 2 year plan, or a 3 year plan, or a 5 year plan... he has a 10 year plan - which, of course, means never having to fill a hole!!!

That sounds kind of dirty, doesn't it??? LOL

[Partial]

In 5 years, we'll still be saying, "win now??? we don't need to stinking win now!!!".

TT doesn't have a 2 year plan, or a 3 year plan, or a 5 year plan... he has a 10 year plan - which, of course, means never having to fill a hole!!!

That sounds kind of dirty, doesn't it??? LOL

I think we'll be very solid at just about every position across the board (short of possibly receiver; its tough to get a stud receiver) by the time Favre hangs his cleats up.

Also, keep in mind that TT has to have known what he was doing. He had to have known this pick wouldn't be popular with the fans and he would take a lot of flaming for doing it. I think he is convinced Harrell can be a pro-bowler. If his gut instinct is correct, than TT will keep his job. If this guy is another Corey Williams two years in, I don't know that he'll keep his job.

[Charles Woodson]

In 5 years, we'll still be saying, "win now??? we don't need to stinking win now!!!".

TT doesn't have a 2 year plan, or a 3 year plan, or a 5 year plan... he has a 10 year plan - which, of course, means never having to fill a hole!!!

That sounds kind of dirty, doesn't it??? LOL

I think we'll be very solid at just about every position across the board (short of possibly receiver; its tough to get a stud receiver) by the time Favre hangs his cleats up.

Also, keep in mind that TT has to have known what he was doing. He had to have known this pick wouldn't be popular with the fans and he would take a lot of flaming for doing it. I think he is convinced Harrell can be a pro-bowler. If his gut instinct is correct, than TT will keep his job. If this guy is another Corey Williams two years in, I don't know that he'll keep his job.

And thats the fun thing about being a fan, because if harrell ends up crap then TT willl never hear the end of the time that he passed up the 2008 top 10 pick AND a good recevier like Rice, Jarrett, or Smith. for a bust

[woodbuck27]

In 5 years, we'll still be saying, "win now??? we don't need to stinking win now!!!".

TT doesn't have a 2 year plan, or a 3 year plan, or a 5 year plan... he has a 10 year plan - which, of course, means never having to fill a hole!!!

That sounds kind of dirty, doesn't it??? LOL

He doesn't have a ten year plan on my team.

Soon more and more Packer fans will see just what he is and has stood for.

I predict that four years fr. now that Ted Thompson isn't the GM of the Green Bay Packers.

The reason for that prediction is easy.

A teams success is a direct reflection of that teams GM's competence and personality. His willingness to supply the talent capable of jelling to make a winner.

Ted Thompson doesn't care beyond his agenda. I've never seen a GM in sports quite as he is.

Packer fans are not going to put up with 12-20 or worse much longer. Ted Thompsonn had a chance to put us in the playoff's in 2007 and he decided to toss that away.

This fact sickens me and I'll not forget it.

More and more Packer fans will see 'the TRUTH'.

[Badgerinmaine]

Doesnt sound like such a great trade. Then watch the Brown be the feelgood story of 07 and turn the #1 they traded to DAL into the 31st overall. :P

Ohhhhhh, I'd love that.

[Zool]

In 5 years, we'll still be saying, "win now??? we don't need to stinking win now!!!".

TT doesn't have a 2 year plan, or a 3 year plan, or a 5 year plan... he has a 10 year plan - which, of course, means never having to fill a hole!!!

That sounds kind of dirty, doesn't it??? LOL

So you are definitely a proponent of win now, but you wanted him to trade out of the first round to secure a future pick. At the same time, he needed to draft some 1st round talent in order to win now. Its all so very confusing to me.

[b bulldog]

Phil Savage, the Browns GM has stated himself that he thought the deal in GB which included the Browns getting the 16th pick while flip flopping picks through round 4 and giving us the Browns number one in 08 was turned down by TT. It wasn't a first and a second.

[Farley Face]

In 5 years, we'll still be saying, "win now??? we don't need to stinking win now!!!".

TT doesn't have a 2 year plan, or a 3 year plan, or a 5 year plan... he has a 10 year plan - which, of course, means never having to fill a hole!!!

That sounds kind of dirty, doesn't it??? LOL

I think we'll be very solid at just about every position across the board (short of possibly receiver; its tough to get a stud receiver) by the time Favre hangs his cleats up.

Also, keep in mind that TT has to have known what he was doing. He had to have known this pick wouldn't be popular with the fans and he would take a lot of flaming for doing it. I think he is convinced Harrell can be a pro-bowler. If his gut instinct is correct, than TT will keep his job. If this guy is another Corey Williams two years in, I don't know that he'll keep his job.

I don't think for a second TT worries about fan reaction to any move he makes. And that is a good thing.

[BallHawk]

I don't think for a second TT worries about fan reaction to any move he makes. And that is a good thing.

Ted Thompson can't feel emotion.

[Bretsky]

Next year, having that high #1 would look pretty good - wouldn't it???

TT's way, we sit there at 16 again next year... and that's it. Wouldn't it be nice if we could have two 1st's next year???

Then we could draft another DT, and another LB, in the 1st round... picking good players of course - but always with the proviso that "we pick the best players, we don't care if it improves the team".

With TT"s long term vision of building for the future, I'm astonished that he would not have jumped at something like this.

From all his comments, I think the bottom line is that he fell in love with the first round DT

[Bretsky]

In 5 years, we'll still be saying, "win now??? we don't need to stinking win now!!!".

TT doesn't have a 2 year plan, or a 3 year plan, or a 5 year plan... he has a 10 year plan - which, of course, means never having to fill a hole!!!

That sounds kind of dirty, doesn't it??? LOL

So you are definitely a proponent of win now, but you wanted him to trade out of the first round to secure a future pick. At the same time, he needed to draft some 1st round talent in order to win now. Its all so very confusing to me.

I want to win now

But I'm a draft for need guy

I've realized our GM is a win later guy and build slowly.

TT has broken me as a short term win guy as long as he is GM; I'm astonished he didn't take the deal.

I wish he would have.

Our future is 3-4 years from now if it happens at all. Adding an extra first next year could have been huge.

Plus, we could have used the Browns 2nd round pick to pick a WR

[mraynrand]

Fritz, you were only kinda sorta right.