When will Williams be signed?

[Bretsky]

Yeah, we can keep 5 good DT's and 4 or 5 DE's. Nothing wrong with a little depth like I said before. We basically replace Kenrick Allen. That is it, nothing more.

Completely agree Greg/Nick/etc

I'll be carefully observing whether the Snapper chooses to resign C Williams. I'm glad you've stated your view on that one.

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[retailguy]

Yeah, we can keep 5 good DT's and 4 or 5 DE's. Nothing wrong with a little depth like I said before. We basically replace Kenrick Allen. That is it, nothing more.

But, you made my point. Some DL has to go, and that DL is better than someone at another position (in my opinion).

that's the very point I made, whoever you are today....

Could you just give us a damn name so we know what to call you?

[ND72]

Yeah, we can keep 5 good DT's and 4 or 5 DE's. Nothing wrong with a little depth like I said before. We basically replace Kenrick Allen. That is it, nothing more.

But, you made my point. Some DL has to go, and that DL is better than someone at another position (in my opinion).

that's the very point I made, whoever you are today....

Could you just give us a damn name so we know what to call you?

No he really didn't. Jenkins, Kampman, KGB, Montgomery, Hunter (5 DE's)....Harrell, Pickett, Williams, Cole, Jolly (5 DT's)....nobody gets cut, we just replace a free agent Kendrick Allen.

[retailguy]

Yeah, we can keep 5 good DT's and 4 or 5 DE's. Nothing wrong with a little depth like I said before. We basically replace Kenrick Allen. That is it, nothing more.

But, you made my point. Some DL has to go, and that DL is better than someone at another position (in my opinion).

that's the very point I made, whoever you are today....

Could you just give us a damn name so we know what to call you?

No he really didn't. Jenkins, Kampman, KGB, Montgomery, Hunter (5 DE's)....Harrell, Pickett, Williams, Cole, Jolly (5 DT's)....nobody gets cut, we just replace a free agent Kendrick Allen.

Oh for heavens sake ND, if you can't see that the talent on the DL was better than other positions, then we'll have to just agree to disagree.

Allen played last year for damn near the vet minimum and is STILL available if we want him. The value of Allen on the team, minus Harrell, vs. a quality player elsewhere replacing crappy depth is still a loss... And believe me, when Colin Cole, or Jolly get waived, I'll be reminding all of you about this...

That's my point.

[ND72]

I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing...just stating that if we go as we did last year, NON of those guys gets cut. and if you wanna talk talent, I personally think Allen would be better than Cole or Jolly...and reversely, I think Harrell is better than Cole or Jolly...so we're not really losing anything talent. Plus, if Allen was going to sign with us again, he would have already. Just my opinion.

AND...i never said the DL wasn't talented or wasnt' the most talented on our team.

[esoxx]

No room for Montgomery anymore it appears. I was never impressed with his game anyhow. I don't see carrying 5 DE's.

[MJZiggy]

Why would we have to waive one of them? We have plenty of camp bodies to get rid of. Personally I'm hoping Fergie goes, but that's just me.

[Brohm]

About cutting people, TT's reasoning for the 5 (4?) TE's at the start of the season was that he kept the best players regardless of position at the bottom ends of the depth chart.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Why would we have to waive one of them? We have plenty of camp bodies to get rid of. Personally I'm hoping Fergie goes, but that's just me.

I agree, I don't see how people think we will need to cut a good player on the d-line just to make room for Harrell. Are d-line was good before we drafted him, but lets be honest it wasn't that good. We could use help in almost every area on the team before the draft.

Why not have this

DT;

Pickett, Harrell, Williams, Jolly, Cole

DE:

Kampman, KGB, Jenkins, Mont.

That’s 9 players who all can play. Now we would finally have an area on the team were injuries could happen and it wouldn't effect us. And if injuries don't happen then you will have so many options on the d-line that no one will know how we will line up.

As for us having to cut a more talented backup b/c we draft Harrell, I don't get that. What, Allen gets cut? who cares. If say we drafted a WR in round one, then Ferguson gets cut. I would rather have Ferguson than Allen b/c at least he can play sp. teams. (ok kill me for that one ) My point is were not going to lose a good player b/c of Harrell, nothing wrong with some good depth. And were not going to have to cut a more talented player.

[wist43]

It's all about numbers and special teams (I use the word "special" wrt to the Packers ST's tongue and cheek)...

Hell, Shermy kept 2 punters a couple of years ago... are they going to keep Crosby for kickoffs and to develop??? Or did TT just decide to waste a pick???

Wouldn't surprise me if they kept 7 DT's... no telling what those guys at 1265 are capable of.

36 draft choices per year; continually turning over the bottom of the roster - replacing last years 7th rounders with this years; worst ST's in the league...

[HarveyWallbangers]

Hell, Shermy kept 2 punters a couple of years ago... are they going to keep Crosby for kickoffs and to develop??? Or did TT just decide to waste a pick???

What? What if Crosby turns out to be better than Rayner? It's competition. More late rounders than not don't make the team, so if Crosby doesn't make it, who cares? If he turns out to be better, than PK solved for the next 10 years. I have hope for Rayner, so I'm not ready to give this guy the job. However, Rayner was not perfect last year, and this Crosby kid was "supposed" to go on the first day.

[pittstang5]

Everything will work itself out when KGB gets traded to the Redskins for a 2nd round pick next year.

[wist43]

Hell, Shermy kept 2 punters a couple of years ago... are they going to keep Crosby for kickoffs and to develop??? Or did TT just decide to waste a pick???

What? What if Crosby turns out to be better than Rayner? It's competition. More late rounders than not don't make the team, so if Crosby doesn't make it, who cares? If he turns out to be better, than PK solved for the next 10 years. I have hope for Rayner, so I'm not ready to give this guy the job. However, Rayner was not perfect last year, and this Crosby kid was "supposed" to go on the first day.

Just frustrated cause I don't see us even having a chance until at least '09 or '10 now...

A couple of years ago, I had said '08 as a best case scenario... that's moving back. After Favre retires, they'll take a big step back; about '09 and '10 they'll have to be looking to replace the corners - and, given the constant of contracts expiring and injuries... With TT's 10 year plan, I don't think he'll ever be able to get the roster caught up.

Reminds me of the FDR's road building projects back in the 30's... I'm sure they were great roads, they just never went anywhere.

[pbmax]

ND, or anyone, is Allen better than Cole or Jolly even if you take his injury status into question? He was unavailable for some time last year.

I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing...just stating that if we go as we did last year, NON of those guys gets cut. and if you wanna talk talent, I personally think Allen would be better than Cole or Jolly...and reversely, I think Harrell is better than Cole or Jolly...so we're not really losing anything talent. Plus, if Allen was going to sign with us again, he would have already. Just my opinion.

AND...i never said the DL wasn't talented or wasnt' the most talented on our team.

[Creepy]

We have solid players in Cole, Williams, and Pickett then we have Harrell who should be a starter. That leaves us Allen & Jolly. Now Allen never did anything last year and if Jolly had been so impressive other than to makethe roster I could get upset.

IMHO, Pickett & harrell will tire out the OL and allow for Cole or Williams to make sacks. If harrell is half the player they say, he may not get sacks but may get pressure up the middle so the QB can't step up. If that happens KGB will be able to finally reah them on a speed rush.

The othergood side of this is that if GB doesn't have injuries, other teams will. GB then could trade one or more of these DL for a decent draft pick next year.