When will Williams be signed?

[pittstang5]

As far as I know, Allen's not even signed yet and as someone pointed out earlier, if he was going to be, TT probably would have done so by now. To me, Allen didn't show much of anything. Maybe he has potential and his size definitely fits the Packers scheme, but if he can't stay on the field - see ya, good luck else where.

I think the Harrell pick solidified the point that Allen won't be resigned. Probably the same situation with Ben Taylor - TT draft two LBs and picked up a couple more Undrafted FAs.

From my impression, TT is all about the youth movement. If he has a guy that is younger and has potential as opposed to a veteran with some experience, he's going to go with the youth and develop the talent rather than possible pay more for a veteran. That's just my opinion from what I've been seeing.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Allen played last year for damn near the vet minimum and is STILL available if we want him. The value of Allen on the team, minus Harrell, vs. a quality player elsewhere replacing crappy depth is still a loss... And believe me, when Colin Cole, or Jolly get waived, I'll be reminding all of you about this...

You consider Allen quality depth? How would we know. He hasn't really done much in his several years in the league. Plus, he appears to be injury prone. I don't consider Allen quality depth at DT any more than I consider Robert Ferguson quality depth at WR. It's kind of apples to oranges. DL, more than anywhere else, is a position you need to have quality depth. Most of those big guys aren't able to go 100% on 100% of the snaps every game. You need bodies to rotate in. Even most of the good teams rotate their DL. There are a few exceptions, but not many of them. Personally, I think it's also the heart of your defense. You have a great DL, you have a good defense. If you have great WRs, it doesn't necessarily mean you have a graat offense (see Arizona).

[retailguy]

Allen played last year for damn near the vet minimum and is STILL available if we want him. The value of Allen on the team, minus Harrell, vs. a quality player elsewhere replacing crappy depth is still a loss... And believe me, when Colin Cole, or Jolly get waived, I'll be reminding all of you about this...

You consider Allen quality depth? How would we know. He hasn't really done much in his several years in the league. Plus, he appears to be injury prone. I don't consider Allen quality depth at DT any more than I consider Robert Ferguson quality depth at WR. It's kind of apples to oranges. DL, more than anywhere else, is a position you need to have quality depth. Most of those big guys aren't able to go 100% on 100% of the snaps every game. You need bodies to rotate in. Even most of the good teams rotate their DL. There are a few exceptions, but not many of them. Personally, I think it's also the heart of your defense. You have a great DL, you have a good defense. If you have great WRs, it doesn't necessarily mean you have a graat offense (see Arizona).

What I was trying to say is that having Allen as depth at DT is better than the depth at other positions, say WR for example. It would be better for the TEAM to have Allen at DT and Ferguson GONE, than to have to waive a guy of the quality of Allen and keep Ferguson because that position wasn't addressed in the draft (I KNOW WR WAS ADDRESSED, IT IS AN EXAMPLE).

that was my point. I'm not in love with the playing quality of Kendrick Allen, I just don't believe that DT was a position of "EXTREME" need. That's all.

And I reiterate, I like the POTENTIAL of Justin Harrell. I just think the selection was RISKY, and RISKIER than a lot of others in these rooms. There were safer choices, and there were choices available that could help more in 2007. (This is my opinion).

[MJZiggy]

But I think you're missing the point that some of us are making too. Just because be brought in Harrell, doesn't mean that it must be a D-lineman cut to make room for him. TT just needs a roster spot for him and that could come from any position on the field. He could cut Ferguson to make room if that's what he wanted to do. Fifty three men make the team. If you add one, you can cut any of the others to make room so you cut whoever sucks worst regardless of position.

[retailguy]

But I think you're missing the point that some of us are making too. Just because be brought in Harrell, doesn't mean that it must be a D-lineman cut to make room for him. TT just needs a roster spot for him and that could come from any position on the field. He could cut Ferguson to make room if that's what he wanted to do. Fifty three men make the team. If you add one, you can cut any of the others to make room so you cut whoever sucks worst regardless of position.

I'm not missing the point, I get that. I just think the 10th DT is better than the last backup at other positions. That's all. Maybe Ted will trade a DT and make us all happy...

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

But I think you're missing the point that some of us are making too. Just because be brought in Harrell, doesn't mean that it must be a D-lineman cut to make room for him. TT just needs a roster spot for him and that could come from any position on the field. He could cut Ferguson to make room if that's what he wanted to do. Fifty three men make the team. If you add one, you can cut any of the others to make room so you cut whoever sucks worst regardless of position.

I'm not missing the point, I get that. I just think the 10th DT is better than the last backup at other positions. That's all. Maybe Ted will trade a DT and make us all happy...

As long as he doesn't trade Harrell, Picket, or williams.