THOMPSON TO BROWNS- NO DEAL !!---JS

[LL2]

I honestly dont know much about Washington or Welker, but the other two can stretch the field as well as if not better than anyone else. (And yes, I do understand that Moss has to prove he can still play.)

Well, If Clowney can become a student of the game and pick up the system he has a chance to stretch the field. He can run a 4.36, and I believe that was one of the fastest times at the combine. If anything I’d like to see him get a chance at KR. With a 4.36 speed he should get 10 yards before someone gets close to him.

[Spaulding]

Re: THOMPSON TO BROWNS- NO DEAL !!---JS

Notes: Thompson: No deal
General manger rejects Browns' trade offer for first-round pick
By BOB McGINN
bmcginn@journalsentinel.com
Posted: April 30, 2007

On Saturday, Thompson said he couldn't conceive of a situation in which he would trade a first-round pick in next year's draft.

I guess he doesn't know the particulars of the trade Wolf made with Atlanta back in 1992.

Brainerd, Wolf did not trade a first round pick in the "next year's draft." Here's the quote from the Packers' website about the trade:

"Acquired from Atlanta by then-Packers General Manager Ron Wolf for a first-round draft selection in an offseason trade (Feb. 10)"

As you can see, Wolf traded that year's first rounder, not the following year's.

Furthermore, I would also say that people's impatience and frustration is understandable to some extent, because - I believe - we fall victim to what I'll call the "big name syndrome." We read our ten or eleven internet sites and their player analyses, which focus on the bigger names, and then when the Packers don't pick those guys, we assume that the players TT picks are necessarily not as good. Consequently, a team that picks two or three guys we've read about - Minny with Peterson and Rice, or San Fran with Willis and Staley - are automatically assumed to have had better drafts.

I'd say let's wait and see. Heck, we can't really quite judge TT's first draft yet. I keep reading about how that was a crap draft, but until we see how Rodgers and Underwood do or don't pan out, it's too soon to say. If Underwood can't contribute this year then it will be iffy, sure. Then you're down to Collins and maybe Rodgers. But if - and it's an if - Underwood stays healthy and starts and plays well, then you've got to say that TT picked up two starting safeties and maybe a starting QB.

Besides, from various reports I've read that all Cleveland was offering was there second and a flip of the third and fourth round picks as well as next year's first. That really doesn't sound like that much to move up that many spots.

Nice post Fritz, you saved my fingers from typing pretty much the same thing and said it much better.

Really, if you break the draft down to those critical of TT and those of us on either kool aid or still giving him the benefit of the doubt as a professional GM and not an obsessed poster ( ) then the only real position of impact for 2007 would have been running back.

With Lynch off the board was there any other running backs that were must haves in the 2nd or 3rd rounds? Pittman? Maybe but small and not an every down back nor from a ZBS I believe. Bush? Major injury concerns. Hunt? Too slow. And the list goes on. The fact that Thompson drafted Jackson as what he believes the best running back for our system should appease some.

If you argue we needed an impact TE, well rookies just don't do much in the receiving category be it WR or TE. I don't believe Olsen was worth the 16th pick due to this poor blocking skills and overall size. Trading down into the 20's would have netted us him but it appears Denver only tried to trade up after we took Harrell which they wanted as well. Moving back into the high 2nd round would have meant missing him and having to take Zach Miller which again would have little impact on our offense as a rookie.

Fault the draft all you want when it does seem "just wrong" to rate it before the players even attend their first mini camp but I just don't see it.

The most likely way to improve the offense this year dramatically would have been a FA WR, RB, TE or have an existing player step up. Given I honestly believe the FA crop was very weak and the Moss deal fell through I don't see how Thompson dropped the ball.

If anything, Thompson erred in the first year in FA (guard play was horrible), did well in year two with Pickett and Woodson (Manual was cheap but bad), and didn't really have any worthwhile options in year three. His draft ratings are too early to call other than on the surface 2005 will hinge on Rodgers play and 2006 looks good so far.

We should seriously be focusing on McCarthy, Philbin and Sanders as the players don't mean as much if the schemes suck.

[woodbuck27]

I would have made this deal. Now it appears that TT was really enamoured over DT Justin Harrell.

The deal would have netted us another early second round pick. As the draft went these players would have been available:

** all mentioned as players that members here liked.

4 36 Philadelphia (from Cleveland through Dallas) Kolb, Kevin QB 6-3 220 Houston

5 37 San Diego (from Washington through N.Y. Jets and Chicago) ** Weddle, Eric SS 5-11 200 Utah

6 38 Oakland (from Arizona) ** Miller, Zach TE 6-5 259 Arizona State

7 39 Atlanta (from Houston) Blalock, Justin OT 6-4 329 Texas

8 40 Miami Beck, John QB 6-2 216 Brigham Young

9 41 Atlanta (from Minnesota) ** Houston, Chris CB 5-11 185 Arkansas

10 42 Indianapolis (from San Francisco) Ugoh, Tony G 6-5 305 Arkansas

11 43 Detroit (from Buffalo) Stanton, Drew QB 6-3 235 Michigan State

12 44 Minnesota (from Atlanta) ** Rice, Sidney WR 6-4 202 South Carolina

13 45 Carolina ** Jarrett, Dwayne WR 6-5 213 Southern California

Then at #47 TT could have gone with one of the following:

Again, all solid offensive prospects.

17 49 Cincinnati Irons, Kenny RB 5-11 195 Auburn

18 50 Tennessee Henry, Chris RB 6-0 228 Arizona

19 51 N.Y. Giants Smith, Steve WR 5-11 199 Southern California

20 52 St. Louis Leonard, Brian FB 6-1 238 Rutgers


We would have two firsts next season, one of which would likely be a top ten pick.

Ted Thompson doesn't like being painted in a corner. As I see it in hindsight. That deal would have netted us two pretty solid offensive players.

Two out of three at WR,RB or TE.

PLUS another first next season.

That deal makes way too much sense for Ted Thompson to go for it and desert his agenda.

[LEWCWA]

I would have taken Brady Quinn and not looked back. The guy has a chance of being that special kind of player! Thats my opinion and I'm sticking too it....I don't wait to see if Rodgers can play, b4 I pick up a talent like Quinn!

[woodbuck27]

I would have taken Brady Quinn and not looked back. The guy has a chance of being that special kind of player! Thats my opinion and I'm sticking too it....I don't wait to see if Rodgers can play, b4 I pick up a talent like Quinn!

I have been giving that alot of thought since the draft.

Ted Thompson wouldn't sell out his own first round pick.

This man's false EGO is bigger than a baboon's balls.

Getting rid of alot of frustration.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Super Bowl, home boys! Won't be any room on the wagon once she gets rolling.

[Lurker64]

The deal would have netted us another early second round pick.

The deal Cleveland offered TT was simply "Our first next year, and swap picks in rounds 2 and 3 for pick #16" which would have been a horrible trade for TT (on points alone we would lose by several hundred.) Dallas simply got offered a better deal than we were offered since Cleveland was desperate for Quinn and KC was going to take him if they didn't trade up.

So we wouldn't have netted a single other pick this year if Thompson accepted the trade as offered.

[woodbuck27]

The deal would have netted us another early second round pick.

The deal Cleveland offered TT was simply "Our first next year, and swap picks in rounds 2 and 3 for pick #16" which would have been a horrible trade for TT (on points alone we would lose by several hundred.) Dallas simply got offered a better deal than we were offered since Cleveland was desperate for Quinn and KC was going to take him if they didn't trade up.

So we wouldn't have netted a single other pick this year if Thompson accepted the trade as offered.

It's difficult to get the correct info. I was going on this info. believing that was also the offer to us:

Eventually, the Browns located a trade partner in the Dallas Cowboys and got Quinn. In order to move up from the second round (No. 36) to the first round (No. 22), the Browns gave up their first-round pick next year.

[MJZiggy]

Super Bowl, home boys! Won't be any room on the wagon once she gets rolling.

I'm right there with ya sista!! I call shotgun!!

[esoxx]

No need for name calling now zig.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm right there with ya sista!! I call shotgun!!

Sista?

[LL2]

I'm right there with ya sista!! I call shotgun!!

Sista?

Maybe she meant Yo mama!

[MJZiggy]

I'm right there with ya sista!! I call shotgun!!

Sista?

Home boy??

[swede]

This man's false EGO is bigger than a baboon's balls.

Edit: Dang it. How do you do this here image pasting stuff?! Being unable to post pics ruins all my comic timing!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Home boy??

As far as I know, all of the gals are already on the bandwagon.


We like them better on the wagon--than off.