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    Ode to a Turtle

    Season will test Thompson's convictions
    Posted: May 2, 2007


    Bud Lea
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    It isn't hard to argue that Ted Thompson has a special eye for talent. Last year he drafted rookies and signed free agents who stepped right in and made an immediate impact.

    It isn't hard at all to make the case that Thompson knew what he was doing when he took over Mike Sherman's aging team three years ago and started rebuilding. He didn't make wholesale changes just for the sake of making wholesales changes. He has steadily improved the talent level.

    Looking at what he did, you search for some answers, and you inevitably come up with this: confidence. It is what defines the general manager of the Green Bay Packers.

    So much has changed, but Thompson's insistence on doing it his way - despite all the outside shouting - remains the cornerstone at 1265 Lombardi Ave.

    There was a buzz in Green Bay that with another strong draft, the Packers would ascend to the playoffs like last year's New Orleans Saints.

    The Packers had obvious needs. They needed a running back to step in where Ahman Green stepped out. They needed a home run wide receiver. They needed a tight end. A fullback.

    So, who did they pick first? A nose tackle.

    All I know is, this Justin Harrell guy had better be the bomb, whoever he is. He'd better throw around blockers like a bar bouncer, sandblast gaps for A.J. Hawk to storm through and assume the disrupted appearances of a Gilbert Brown.

    Because if he turns out to be the next Donnell Washington or Cletidus Hunt or the next Packer bust, which is never beyond the realm of possibility, fans will never forgive Thompson.

    The selection of Harrell was met with some puzzlement, some cautious, muted approval, and for the first time in recent history, a chorus of howling outrage from fans.

    The puzzlement: There were a number of impact players and potential game-breakers still on the board, not the least of which were wide receivers Dwayne Bowe and Robert Meachem and tight end Greg Olsen. All were taken in the first round.

    The muted approval: Both sides of the ball are basic building blocks in football. Some scouts say Harrell is the real deal. Thompson said Harrell is the sort of quality defensive player who you can't afford to pass up.

    The howling outrage: Nose tackle? They took a nose tackle? They used the 16th pick in the draft to pick a two-gap nose tackle? Not only that, they learned later that Justin Harrell's play last season at Tennessee was limited to three games because of a torn biceps tendon.

    So which is it, a brilliant masterstroke or boneheaded idiocy? Have the Packers seen what eluded others? Or have they chosen unwisely, and will they pay an enormous price in the process?

    Well, here's what we know for sure: We don't know.

    I don't know, you don't know.

    And the reason none of us knows is that we cannot see the future.

    Who among us has seen Justin Harrell play one season?

    One game?

    One snap?

    Harrell might turn out to be a great nose tackle. Or he might turn out to be fat and slow. Or he might turn out to be somewhere in between.

    But to repeat, nobody knows for sure. And nobody will know for a few years.

    That is what makes the draft intriguing and frustrating. It's a crapshoot. It is the projections of people based on possible potential. For those who do it for a living, it isn't completely guesswork, but it's close.

    As general manager, Thompson is paid to know more than the rest of us. And it is his apparent viewpoint that Harrell, a 6-4 ½, 314-pound medicine ball of a defensive tackle, is a smart investment.

    I'll assume Thompson isn't bothered by the fact that Harrell's résumé includes a heavy list of injuries in high school and college. I'll also assume he sees something special beneath it all because he's Ted Thompson and he loves building his defenses.

    But he can't deny he is gambling here.

    Perhaps the hit-miss for a nose tackle is much better than for a quarterback or a running back. But the excitement level is much lower.

    Eleven new draft choices are coming to Green Bay, including Brandon Jackson, an undersized running back who had injury problems of his own at Nebraska. Harrell is the key.

    He will blossom in Green Bay, or he won't.

    So welcome to the madhouse, young man.

    We were criticizing Nick Barnett when the Packers took him in the first round of the 2003 draft. Too small to play middle linebacker, we figured, and look how he turned out.

    Don't take it personally that Green Bay fans greeted your selection with a certain hostility just because you were not a running back or wide receiver - a playmaker who could help a struggling offense and take some of the load off Brett Favre.

    Thompson did not go out and get a big running back. He did not go out and get a game-breaking wide receiver. He did not put together an attractive offer to get Randy Moss.

    Instead, he worked on building up his defense and stockpiling younger players. The fans essentially yawned. Thompson didn't care that the fans yawned. And so it goes.

    There is never a hint that Thompson is not confident in his evaluation of the situation and the solution he has put together.

    We'll see if his confidence is well-founded when the 2007 season begins.

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    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

  • #2
    As weird as this draft was, I take comfort from the fact that TT's picks seem kinda oddball to me. Why do I take comfort from this? Well, because to me it simply means that, if nothing else, TT stayed true to his draft board. And as Ron Wolf and TT (and other GM's) have said, the worst thing a GM can do is stray from the draft board that the team has set up. Thompson said last year (I think it was last year) that picking for need and thus straying from the draft board resulted in Seattle's picking of Jeramy Stevens a few years back. Wolf has said repeatedly that he strayed from his board when he reached for Jamaal Reynolds back in '01.

    So although Ted's picks seem kinda weird, they clearly reflect the months and months of scouting that the Packer scouting department does, and not the sudden whims of a GM that is trying to plug holes with big names.


    For example, when you look at Dwayne Jarrett and James Jones, one would have been regarded as a stellar pick had he fallen to the Pack in the second round, while the other is being dissed as a reach in the third. However, the two are similar kinds of receivers- Jarrett more polished at this point, but it'll be interesting to see how they compare in three years.

    So I'll wait and see how these picks turn out, and take some comfort from Ted's weird picks.
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

    KYPack

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    • #3
      funny that my most accounts people say the Packers got a steal with the round 5 WR and were robbed by reaching in round 3 as well.
      TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Bretsky
        funny that my most accounts people say the Packers got a steal with the round 5 WR and were robbed by reaching in round 3 as well.
        Huh, McCarren saw them all in person yesterday adn he said Jones stood out as the best of the bunch. He saw them play snap for snap right next to each other so he had the advantage of direct comparison.
        Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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        • #5
          Damn straight. This season will indeed test TT's mettle. I applaud him for having core convictions and staying true to them. He has a plan and should follow HIS plan, no one else's. I like that in a GM.

          Now, I might not necessarily like his strategies and how he goes about player procurement, but that really doesn't matter. What matters is, does his way succeed and work out in the end.

          We will see.

          We will see if Jones is a chump or a player.

          We will see if Harrell can stay healthy and be the dominant DT we've never had.

          We will see whether Ted's plan works or doesn't.

          I will not blindly cheerlead or rationalize along the way. I will call it as I see it.

          The bottom line is:

          TT's either a stinkin' genius or he's in over his head. I don't see any middle ground on this one.

          Let's hope for the former scenario to be revealed when we look back in '09.

          On that we can all be united in opinion as Packer fans.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by esoxx

            The bottom line is:

            TT's either a stinkin' genius or he's in over his head. I don't see any middle ground on this one.

            Let's hope for the former scenario to be revealed when we look back in '09.

            On that we can all be united in opinion as Packer fans.
            True! Let's also hope we can look back and see that Favre got what he deserves....another run!!

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            • #7
              For some of those positions it will take several years to see how they pan out. WR's, in particular, need at least 2 years before they can successfully learn a complicated pro offensive scheme.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by esoxx
                Damn straight. This season will indeed test TT's mettle. I applaud him for having core convictions and staying true to them. He has a plan and should follow HIS plan, no one else's. I like that in a GM.

                Now, I might not necessarily like his strategies and how he goes about player procurement, but that really doesn't matter. What matters is, does his way succeed and work out in the end.

                We will see.

                We will see if Jones is a chump or a player.

                We will see if Harrell can stay healthy and be the dominant DT we've never had.

                We will see whether Ted's plan works or doesn't.

                I will not blindly cheerlead or rationalize along the way. I will call it as I see it.

                The bottom line is:

                TT's either a stinkin' genius or he's in over his head. I don't see any middle ground on this one.

                Let's hope for the former scenario to be revealed when we look back in '09.

                On that we can all be united in opinion as Packer fans.
                Exactly how i am, thats the thing, im not going to trust TT, i want him to have to work and prove himself

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                • #9
                  Hmmmm.
                  Doesn't every GM get judged on the draft picks he makes?
                  Or is Thompson the only one?
                  Just asking.....
                  Who Knows? The Shadow knows!

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                  • #10
                    I trust Thompson becuase of

                    A. His success here the first time
                    B. His success in Seattle
                    C. His success in cleaning up the horrible cap situation with only one real down year
                    D. His success in last years draft and in FA which was as good as possible in both departments
                    E. His spoken commitment to value and building the most talent with the cap space avaiable and his patients to do it right because I beleive it requires patients to build a team.


                    Blind trust would be just saying "he's GM, so I believe"

                    Taking his history and his approach and connecting it to what you yourself believe based on your experience following football and your basic understsanding of value as it relates to a set budget or in this case the "salary cap" or the "draft" is different than blind trust. It's educated opinion that leads to confidence in his approach and ability. That is where I stand.
                    Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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                    • #11
                      I won't give a man blind trust when his team finished 12-20 over his first two seasons. He has to earn my trust.

                      Will he get there is measured in these questions among others:

                      1. How well will the Packers finish in 2007?

                      2. How will our team play on both sides of the ball?

                      3. How competitive will we be against all other teams?

                      4. How often will we get blownout?
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                      • #12
                        The team needs to be competetive this year. I don't know what record that might mean - not 5 - 11 I don't think, but that's all I can say about that - but my benchmark is the end of the 2008 season. If Ted doesn't have them playing fiercely and making a run to the playoffs - not one of those 8-8 deals like last year, I mean a real run - then I say he can try for 2009. If the team though is floundering and in over its head in '08, then Ted will be packing his bags, I think.

                        Of course, in my dream scenario the Pack makes a strong push for the playoffs this year - in my dreams they go like 10 - 6 - and then Favre comes back once more in 2008 and the Packers win the Super Bowl.

                        Ah. That would be nice.
                        "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                        KYPack

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by The Shadow
                          Hmmmm.
                          Doesn't every GM get judged on the draft picks he makes?
                          Or is Thompson the only one?
                          Just asking.....

                          Would you rather have us judge him on his free agent signings this year
                          TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bretsky
                            Originally posted by The Shadow
                            Hmmmm.
                            Doesn't every GM get judged on the draft picks he makes?
                            Or is Thompson the only one?
                            Just asking.....

                            Would you rather have us judge him on his free agent signings this year
                            Or maybe the free agent signings he DIDN'T make?
                            Overpaying for so-so talent does not make a great GM.
                            Who Knows? The Shadow knows!

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                            • #15
                              I agree Shadow. He locked Barnett up for less than any of the big name FA's and Barnett is arguably the best or second best in the entire FA crop.

                              I also think locking Jenkins up is going to look great over the test of time.



                              There is only one way to fit more talent under the cap than your opposition and that is by having a very good feel for the quality and relative value of talent in the NFL and conducting your personal decisions as such. It doesn't mean "never use FA" and Thompson has shown us he's not that guy as he signed 2 of the bigger FA's last season. Thompson seems to have a good feel for this part of the game. Because of this, he's going to continue to have the flexibility to make the right decisions when the oppertunities arise. IF we dreft well we're going to continue to be able to keep all of our impact players and over time we will have more than anyone else because while they are getting hammered with the salary cap and losing talent we'll just keep getting better. Not at all disimilar to NE this year, SEA last year and PHI when they signed Ownes and Kearse because they are very good and still have the room to blow $$.
                              Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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