Was anyone hoping for TE Ben Patrick in the 6th Round?

[Bretsky]

ya gotta think TT felt Ben Patrick would stink or he'd probably have drafted him. Here's one where I just defer to the Snapper.

[woodbuck27]

Which you could say about just about any player in the draft.

I'm just saying, arguing that Ben Patrick will be good in this league by comparing him to another player who we don't know will be any good in this league isn't exactly a compelling argument.

Wohoooaa !

I'm simply comparing my info. on the respective height comparison of Greg Olsen and Ben Patrick in response to Ballhawk's post.

Greg Olsen was consistently rated as the player that would be picked out of the available TE's first. He in fact went in the first round.

The fact of his height Vs any other TE's height isn't the predominating factor of that result I'm guessing.

I say you draft a college player based on his talent as a football player,his character, intelligence etc. The potential that he offers to your team.

The question I present is clear.

Were any members of this board surprized that TT didn't draft Ben Patrick in the 6th or otherwise did any member hope for that result?

GO PACKERS !

[gureski]

No, I wasn't surprised that Thompson didn't draft Patrick in the 6th or 7th rounds and the reason why is because it was clear to me, based on Patrick's college career, that the guy was a phony who only was mentioned as a sleeper prospect because of the media's thirst to nail Division IAA sleeper picks.

I've commented on this multiple times and I always say the same thing. Patrick was nothing but hype. You look at his career and you see a guy who was at Duke for 4 years and did NOTHING impressive. He received playing time as a starter and did NOT stand out. Before his senior year, Patrick transferred down to Division IAA. An average starting TE in Division IA, Patrick became a very good TE when matched up against Division IAA talent. Despite being matched up against lesser talent, Patrick did NOT post eye-popping numbers in 2006. What more do you need to prove the kid is NOT some stud in waiting?

Now, on to the media hype...

Because he was a Division IA player who was playing in Division IAA, the media and several draft experts brought Patrick's name up regarding the subject of Division IAA sleeper prospects. He was brought up by default. He was brought up because he was amongst the best Division IAA TE prospects, not because he was a legitimate prospect that people should dive at.

I'm not saying he didn't deserve to be drafted, I'm merely pointing out that he was overhyped by many. Going in the 7th round is exactly where Patrick deserved to go. It's as simple as that. He's a player you take a chance on. Nothing more. He didn't do anything to be considered a mid-round choice, like many thought he would be. So, no, I'm not shocked THompson didn't take him and I'm not shocked he went in the 7th round. That's where he should've gone.

[woodbuck27]

No, I wasn't surprised that Thompson didn't draft Patrick in the 6th or 7th rounds and the reason why is because it was clear to me, based on Patrick's college career, that the guy was a phony who only was mentioned as a sleeper prospect because of the media's thirst to nail Division IAA sleeper picks.

I've commented on this multiple times and I always say the same thing. Patrick was nothing but hype. You look at his career and you see a guy who was at Duke for 4 years and did NOTHING impressive. He received playing time as a starter and did NOT stand out. Before his senior year, Patrick transferred down to Division IAA. An average starting TE in Division IA, Patrick became a very good TE when matched up against Division IAA talent. Despite being matched up against lesser talent, Patrick did NOT post eye-popping numbers in 2006. What more do you need to prove the kid is NOT some stud in waiting?

Now, on to the media hype...

Because he was a Division IA player who was playing in Division IAA, the media and several draft experts brought Patrick's name up regarding the subject of Division IAA sleeper prospects. He was brought up by default. He was brought up because he was amongst the best Division IAA TE prospects, not because he was a legitimate prospect that people should dive at.

I'm not saying he didn't deserve to be drafted, I'm merely pointing out that he was overhyped by many. Going in the 7th round is exactly where Patrick deserved to go. It's as simple as that. He's a player you take a chance on. Nothing more. He didn't do anything to be considered a mid-round choice, like many thought he would be. So, no, I'm not shocked THompson didn't take him and I'm not shocked he went in the 7th round. That's where he should've gone.

OK ! You wern't jacked for him.

[woodbuck27]

It wouldn't of been a bad pick, but he is just too short to be able to be a successful in this league.

Uhhhh !??

Greg Olsen Height: 6-4 Weight: 252 Position: TE College: Miami (Fla.)

Ben Patrick Height: 6-4 Weight: 270 Position: TE College: Delaware

What makes you believe Olsen can be a success in this league?

Do you have an inside Lurker64, that Greg Olsen can't be a success?

At the risk of repeating myself.

How many mocks can you find where he wasn't the first TE taken in this years draft?

Have you read alot of negative about Greg Olsen Lurker64?

All I read is good about his talent and ability to bring the big play to his NFL team.

That of course would be da Bears. Many are saying that Olsen may be huge for the development of their young QB.

Is it this?

Are you indicating Lurker64?

That a fan can"t scrutinize all that"s available on the internet regarding college prospects, and watch college games on TV. Arrive at some informed opinion on a particular college player.

Even go so far as hope that his team may draft him.

Lets go back to Greg Olsen and where he was before entering College as an attempt to see if he shows consistency:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6767102

How top draft picks rated as preps

Let's take a close look at the top 100 draft picks from this years draft and see where they were ranked coming out of high school for their respective classes of 2002, '03 and '04.

31. Greg Olsen (TE — '03) Miami - Drafted by Chicago Bears
Five-star, No. 1 ranked TE, No. 20 overall prospect, National Top 100

Here's a link for some more ink on this fine TE prospect for our rival.

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=73&p=8&c=1&nid=2435676

Sorry that"s a lousy link. This one that follows is better:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/olsen_greg

[Lurker64]

He can't, and won't, block anybody. I don't care if he was the #1 tight end on everybody's board, that doesn't mean he'll be a good player. To really be a success in this league, you have to be at least adequate at all parts of your position.

Moreover, before we've seen them play a down in the NFL, there's no compelling reason to suspect ANYBODY who gets drafted will be a success (or a bust), no matter where they're ranked or where they were taken. Olsen, like everybody else in the draft, is an unknown quantity at the NFL level. Maybe he'll be great, maybe he'll be out of the league in three years. You don't know, I don't know, the folks writing the scouting magazines don't know either.

I just personally don't like him as a TE since, as I said before, he can't and won't block anybody.

[woodbuck27]

He can't, and won't, block anybody. I don't care if he was the #1 tight end on everybody's board, that doesn't mean he'll be a good player. To really be a success in this league, you have to be at least adequate at all parts of your position.

Moreover, before we've seen them play a down in the NFL, there's no compelling reason to suspect ANYBODY who gets drafted will be a success (or a bust), no matter where they're ranked or where they were taken. Olsen, like everybody else in the draft, is an unknown quantity at the NFL level. Maybe he'll be great, maybe he'll be out of the league in three years. You don't know, I don't know, the folks writing the scouting magazines don't know either.

I just personally don't like him as a TE since, as I said before, he can't and won't block anybody.

Got ya ! There's this to support your views:

Not physical as a blocker and leans on opponents. Easily brought down at the point of attack running after the reception. Does not show a lot of playing strength.

and fr. here:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/olsen_greg

NegativesOn Greg Olsen:

Because of a lack of explosion, he does not appear as fast as his timed speed indicates, but he has the agility to adjust and get under the pass once he is on the move …

Needs to do a better job of recognizing the blitz and pass rush, as he appears slow at times to slide in pass protection …

Must show better urgency taking angles to block along the perimeter (slow to kick out and block for the outside running game) …

Has good short-area quickness and strength to power through a hold-up, but needs to be more active with his hands to get a clean release …

Will sometimes be late into his route when he fails to use his hands to defeat the press …

Lacks the vertical explosion to get deep consistently, but can power through arm tackles to gain additional yardage after contact …

While Olsen is good at uncovering, he needs to do it with better consistency, as he tends to run to spots on the field (see 2006 Houston and Virginia Tech games) …

The staff says that Olsen has excellent field vision, but when used in critical situations on third-down plays, he lacks consistency, converting only 7 of 30 third-down plays over the past two seasons …

His focus is erratic at times, as he has the natural hands to reach and pluck away from his frame, but has had several drops because he prefers to let the ball absorb into his body … Has good vertical agility, but needs to improve his timing, as he had 16 passes deflected out of his hands over the past two seasons (see 2006 North Carolina and Maryland games and 2005 Florida State and Georgia Tech contests) …

Needs to show a better understanding for gaining leverage on pulls and sweeps (gets too erect in his stance and needs to sink his hips better).


This doesn't seem a bad thing (woodbuck27) He"s just a draft pick when it's all examined.:

Compares To … Jeremy Shockey, N.Y. Giants (Miami, Fla.) … Olsen and Shockey fit the mold of classic Hurricane tight ends -- big, quick, strong and superb underneath receivers. Olsen still has room to grow physically and needs to improve his timing to snag passes at their high point. With his running stride and long arms, he is an inviting target over the middle.

[woodbuck27]

Greg Olsen Height: 6-4 Weight: 252 Position: TE College: Miami (Fla.)

Ben Patrick Height: 6-4 Weight: 270 Position: TE College: Delaware

Depends on what source you go with. Many reported Patrick measured closer to 6'3" at the combine, and Olsen was closer to 6'5".

Scouts have Greg Olsen at 6'-6'' and 254 lbs.

[woodbuck27]

Waiver:

This thread simply involves a question and isn't meant to raise or incur any antagonism or wrath.

Jaysus !! Packer fans. Why so jumpy?

Afterall ! Ted has it all. . . under control.