DOES FAVRE NEED MORE OFFENSIVE PLAYMAKERS?/FAVRE'S REACTIONS

[Bretsky]

Pro Bowl ? Wow. I hope you are right; he showed flashes, but he was a guy who was cut by a NFL squad and a late season addition at a time when not many teams wanted the guy.

Our only weakness is TE ?

You'd make it sound like we have a top 5 offense.

We went from Ahman Green to a rookie with limited experience. I like Jackson and wish him the best, but gosh, there's a ton of blind faith going on here.

I agree it will be hard to figure out who to cut; we might have about five #4-#5 calibur WR's. Hopefully one of the five can be an adequate #3.

I completely agree on KROB; it's too bad we don't have him the whole season because he might be able to be the #3 with the training camp.

[RashanGary]

So we have one weapon, one potental one, and a bunch of unprovens.

I agree with the writers as well as most of the NFL TV commentators.

Unless you are severely biased it's hard to even make a case that Driver, Jennings and the rest are enough playmakers.

I see over 66% agree in a Packer homer site.

If you'd ask non Packer football experts I'd bet the percentages would be closer to 90%

I don't think I'm biased. I do think highly of Driver and Jennings. I think the Oline is going to be a lot better. Favre is Favre and I think our RB's stand a chance if the line is good.

The RB position is the only glaring hole and I'm not 100% sold that it is such a big hole depending on the growth of Morency and the addition of Jackson. If one of those guys turns out legit, I acctually think we have a pretty good offense. Well, there are 2 if's; the Oline and the RB but I think the Oline is likely to be good and the RB is 50/50.

[Bretsky]

So we have one weapon, one potental one, and a bunch of unprovens.

I agree with the writers as well as most of the NFL TV commentators.

Unless you are severely biased it's hard to even make a case that Driver, Jennings and the rest are enough playmakers.

I see over 66% agree in a Packer homer site.

If you'd ask non Packer football experts I'd bet the percentages would be closer to 90%

I don't think I'm biased. I do think highly of Driver and Jennings. I think the Oline is going to be a lot better. Favre is Favre and I think our RB's stand a chance if the line is good.

The RB position is the only glaring hole and I'm not 100% sold that it is such a big hole depending on the growth of Morency and the addition of Jackson. If one of those guys turns out legit, I acctually think we have a pretty good offense. Well, there are 2 if's; the Oline and the RB but I think the Oline is likely to be good and the RB is 50/50.

Past history suggests a good chance for an injury at WR; I've always felt in today's NFL you need three starters. If Jennings or Driver gets hurt we have a glaring hole at WR.

If the OL and the RB's turn out fine I agree we'll be fine.

I do think you are biased behind the actions of TT; I also know that I have a bias against him.

I also think there is something to be said regarding giving credibility to those without an emotional attachment to Green Bay.

We criticize all the national press/writers/NFL experts on TV as know nothings too often.

Most of them see things w/o many of the biases we have.

[SD GB fan]

i think we will score more than last year. but you can never get enough playmakers. more options is a good thing.

[Green Bud Packer]

[I agree with the writers as well as most of the NFL TV commentators.



I also think there is something to be said regarding giving credibility to those without an emotional attachment to Green Bay.

We criticize all the national press/writers/NFL experts on TV as know nothings too often.

Most of them see things w/o many of the biases we have.

funny how when we agree with the press they are right and when we don't they are know nothings. i'm excited about the upcoming season. we have enough playmakers to win 10 games. not all playmakers have to be on offense

[RashanGary]

Sorry, b but I think they see things with much less familiarity in relation to us. I'm think I know more about the Packers than almost any national media member and I don't think that is smug.

We'll see how the season plays out. You might be right that the offense sucks. I don't really see it but I'm not going to sit here and say I'm certain that the offense is great either.

I'm willing to give TT hell if this team regresses or goes worse than 8-8 and I'm sure you're willing ot give him props if we go 9-7 and catch a wild card birth. It'll be a fun season. I might seem optimsitic to you, but I really think this team will be competetive with in the wildcard chase or even in the NFC north if Chicago has an injury or two.

[MJZiggy]

A defense that scores points? When's the last time we had one of those?

[Bretsky]

Sorry, b but I think they see things with much less familiarity in relation to us. I'm think I know more about the Packers than almost any national media member and I don't think that is smug.

We'll see how the season plays out. You might be right that the offense sucks. I don't really see it but I'm not going to sit here and say I'm certain that the offense is great either.

I'm willing to give TT hell if this team regresses or goes worse than 8-8 and I'm sure you're willing ot give him props if we go 9-7 and catch a wild card birth. It'll be a fun season. I might seem optimsitic to you, but I really think this team will be competetive with in the wildcard chase or even in the NFC north if Chicago has an injury or two.

Agree on all of this. Except I don't think the whole offense sucks; I'd just say they are below average.

TT made a last ditch effort to keep Ahman; the way this FA season shaped up I wish he'd have succeeded.


Cheers,
B

[RashanGary]

A defense that scores points? When's the last time we had one of those?

Sometimes a team plays higher than the sum of it's parts. With the strong DL and the LB's we have behind them, I think our team stands a chance to get some big time play out of it's front 7.

[esoxx]

I am very high on Holiday. I think he is gonna turn into a probowl receiver.

Or perhaps you are just very high. :P

[the_idle_threat]

Everybody seems to think we need to go out and get established playmakers, but guess what ... where are they gonna come from? Thin air? Other people's garbage (a.k.a. free agency)? At this point, you have to find them on your roster.

We've got a whole bunch of young guys ... let's give 'em a chance to step up. Every established playmaker in the league was once a young guy looking for a chance. It's time to give our young guys that chance. They won't all step up, but surely a few of them will. Those are the guys that will make the team.

If you don't draft them high it's an option to trade for them.

It's not like playmakers haven't been there for the taking

Deon Branch, Darrell Jackson, Randy Moss, Michael Turner....etc

I'm not arguing to get em all but there are options year after year to be had

TT made a run for Moss. I was all for it if the price was right, but it didn't happen and it's time to stop crying over spilled milk. There are young guys on the team who have talent. Let's see what they can do.

Same goes for Turner. I think he is probably better right now than the guys we have, but on the other hand it seems like the rookie we got is well-suited to our scheme, and Morencey did ok last year. Let 'em split carries, and I think they'll be fine provided the line does its job. If the line fails, then I don't think Turner would do much better.

Jackson and Branch?

Jackson made some plays for Seattle last year and yet they set him on the curb; why did they do that? I don't claim to know, but I'm sure TT knows. Not only is it his job, but he drafted Jackson and is likely to know him better than most. Do you believe differently?

Branch took Jackson's place in Seattle, and really ... what did Branch do last year? Not much ... he was 28th in the NFC in receiving yards, and had 4 touchdowns. Whoopee. Funny thing is ... these numbers are just about his career average in both categories. New England really suckered Seattle for their 1st rounder on that trade. You wish they would have suckered us instead?

Going after yesterday's playmakers from other offenses is a crap shoot. The grass is not greener, my friend. We have some young guys who have spent time learning our offense. Maybe we should see if somebody steps up. Call me crazy, but I think somebody will.

[Bretsky]

Everybody seems to think we need to go out and get established playmakers, but guess what ... where are they gonna come from? Thin air? Other people's garbage (a.k.a. free agency)? At this point, you have to find them on your roster.

We've got a whole bunch of young guys ... let's give 'em a chance to step up. Every established playmaker in the league was once a young guy looking for a chance. It's time to give our young guys that chance. They won't all step up, but surely a few of them will. Those are the guys that will make the team.

If you don't draft them high it's an option to trade for them.

It's not like playmakers haven't been there for the taking

Deon Branch, Darrell Jackson, Randy Moss, Michael Turner....etc

I'm not arguing to get em all but there are options year after year to be had

TT made a run for Moss. I was all for it if the price was right, but it didn't happen and it's time to stop crying over spilled milk. There are young guys on the team who have talent. Let's see what they can do.

Same goes for Turner. I think he is probably better right now than the guys we have, but on the other hand it seems like the rookie we got is well-suited to our scheme, and Morencey did ok last year. Let 'em split carries, and I think they'll be fine provided the line does its job. If the line fails, then I don't think Turner would do much better.

Jackson and Branch?

Jackson made some plays for Seattle last year and yet they set him on the curb; why did they do that? I don't claim to know, but I'm sure TT knows. Not only is it his job, but he drafted Jackson and is likely to know him better than most. Do you believe differently?

Branch took Jackson's place in Seattle, and really ... what did Branch do last year? Not much ... he was 28th in the NFC in receiving yards, and had 4 touchdowns. Whoopee. Funny thing is ... these numbers are just about his career average in both categories. New England really suckered Seattle for their 1st rounder on that trade. You wish they would have suckered us instead?

Going after yesterday's playmakers from other offenses is a crap shoot. The grass is not greener, my friend. We have some young guys who have spent time learning our offense. Maybe we should see if somebody steps up. Call me crazy, but I think somebody will.

I'm fine with most of your reasoning, although Jackson and Branch are better than you give them credit for. Jackson is hands down one of our top 3 WR's and Branch is better than Jackson, which is part of the reason he was replaced.

But I don't buy for a second the argument of "where" were they to be found.

There are playmakers for the taking if you have a GM willing to make it happen. Maybe he should have, maybe not. But they are there.

Now it's time to see if any of these bodies turn out to be players.

Bring on 2010

[woodbuck27]

Sorry, b but I think they see things with much less familiarity in relation to us. I'm think I know more about the Packers than almost any national media member and I don't think that is smug.

We'll see how the season plays out. You might be right that the offense sucks. I don't really see it but I'm not going to sit here and say I'm certain that the offense is great either.

I'm willing to give TT hell if this team regresses or goes worse than 8-8 and I'm sure you're willing ot give him props if we go 9-7 and catch a wild card birth. It'll be a fun season. I might seem optimsitic to you, but I really think this team will be competetive with in the wildcard chase or even in the NFC north if Chicago has an injury or two.

''I'm willing to give TT hell if this team regresses or goes worse than 8-8 . . .''

You may as well start writing and editing your criticle post of TT now Justin Harrell.

If we go 8-8 I will be extremely surprized. I'm hoping for a win. Then two wins and after that it's all gravy from where I see the Packers.

There will be a ton of pressure on Mike Mccarthy and his coaching staff to prepare our team just to be competitive.

The off season set us up for McCarthy's failure in 2007 not his success. Ted Thompson for whatever reason did next to nothing to help us advance this season, and our schedule isn't as easy as last season. We play 9 games Vs. teams rated above us by one man's power ranking.To win all games or seven from the teams ranked below us we have to have 4 wins Vs. the Lions and Vikings.We have to beat 'the Chiefs' on the road.

Three loss's Vs those teams and we have to win 5 of 9 Vs the upper tier teams.I don't see that happening. Certainly not now and it's early.

The pressure on our HC and his staff is awesome. MM seems to be a confident young HC and he certainly puts in alot of hard work.Will he get it done?

We all hope he will of course but from my point of seeing this season I'm at present not optimistic.

GO PACKERS !

[MJZiggy]

Goodness, Woodbuck!!! Have a valium and wash it down with a quart of kool-aid. It's the spring, time of renewal!!! Anything can happen. I'm standing by my 10-6 prediction. I say a couple of these kids step up and we surprise some people (evidently those people include you) If TT is known for doing one thing well, it's scouting talent. I think his scouting pays off this year.

[4and12to12and4]

Pro Bowl ? Wow. I hope you are right; he showed flashes, but he was a guy who was cut by a NFL squad and a late season addition at a time when not many teams wanted the guy.

Our only weakness is TE ?

You'd make it sound like we have a top 5 offense.

We went from Ahman Green to a rookie with limited experience. I like Jackson and wish him the best, but gosh, there's a ton of blind faith going on here.

I agree it will be hard to figure out who to cut; we might have about five #4-#5 calibur WR's. Hopefully one of the five can be an adequate #3.

I completely agree on KROB; it's too bad we don't have him the whole season because he might be able to be the #3 with the training camp.

Well, the Colts won the Superbowl with a rookie RB, so, how big of a deal is it really? I'm telling you, it's about the lines, boys and girls. If Brett has time, and holes open up, we will score often.