12-20 and a pissed off Brett Favre! Thanks TT.

[CyclonePackFan]

You are telling me that NO ONE on this list could have helped the Packers. NO ONE?

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=61&p=9&...nid=83&yr=2007

I think the fact that Ahmad Carroll is the #28 overall FA on that list and has 4 stars is very telling. Just IMO.

[pbmax]

Was there no one? Sure there were people who have previosuly played better than some of our starters.

But would they have played for a reasonable contract? Or would we need to Joe Johnson it?

Did you see anyone of Woodson'r caliber in this years FAs who would take a year to year contract?

Name the team that buit itself around a 34+ year old QB and won consistently or went to the Super Bowl.

You do that, then I will continue to debate the merits of GM versus QB decision making. Until then, you are all complaining past the graveyard.

So if Ted Thompson signed a couple of FA's with front loaded contracts, like Woodson, the team would be worse off in the long run? Sorry. but that does compute. Signing FAs could help Brett now and the QB of the future. Sigining them to front loaded contracts insures that we will have cap space in the future. There is no excuse of TT's lack of movement via FA. NONE!

You are telling me that NO ONE on this list could have helped the Packers. NO ONE?

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=61&p=9&...nid=83&yr=2007

[gbpackfan]

I don't care about Scout.com's ratings.

I would like someone to answer my question.

From that list, and the players available via trade, you are telling me that there was NO player that the Packers could have signed to improve our O?

[gbpackfan]

So Joe Johnson has scared the Packers away from signing FAs? You sign one bust and you just stop trying? Come on, that arguement is so weak. Based on your arguement, the Packers would have never signed Charles Woodson.

Maybe TTs problem is evaluating offensive players.

[pbmax]

You can't predict injuries and no the Packers should not be scared of FAs just because of Smokin' Joe Johnson.

But almost all sign for a premium and you have to be aware of the downside or you have Sherman's roster and tight salary cap.

So Joe Johnson has scared the Packers away from signing FAs? You sign one bust and you just stop trying? Come on, that arguement is so weak. Based on your arguement, the Packers would have never signed Charles Woodson.

Maybe TTs problem is evaluating offensive players.

[BradStrand]

Well which is it.. the players on the list (dogshit and overpriced non-dogshit) or "players available through a trade", by which I can only assume you mean any player in the whole NFL.

Yes.. I agree had TT traded all our draft picks for the next 5 years for Ladanian Tomlinson we would be better next year.

Pointless and stupid discussion

[falco]

The point to FA this year is that players were overvalued. For TT to get someone who could have made a difference would have cost far too much.

Better to let other teams overpay now, and once all the mediocre players have overinflated contracts, TT can pick up decent players for similar prices while other teams deal with the cap.

[gbpackfan]

Well which is it.. the players on the list (dogshit and overpriced non-dogshit) or "players available through a trade", by which I can only assume you mean any player in the whole NFL.

Yes.. I agree had TT traded all our draft picks for the next 5 years for Ladanian Tomlinson we would be better next year.

Pointless and stupid discussion

What do you mean which is it! That is my problem!!!! It is BOTH! TT should use every means possible to improve the team. He hasn't done either (trade or FA signings) Thanks for making my point.

As for your LT theory, you are going to extremes to prove your point. It is the only way you can show that you are correct. Which your not, but I appreciate your opinion.

The discussion may be pointless and stupid but you're involved. So aren't you labeling yourself pointless and stupid? We'll see if you truly believe what you wrote. If you resond to this post, you're pointless and stupid (you said it, not me.) But if you refuse to respond, then I guess the discussion may in fact be pointless and stupid.

[gbpackfan]

The point to FA this year is that players were overvalued. For TT to get someone who could have made a difference would have cost far too much.

Better to let other teams overpay now, and once all the mediocre players have overinflated contracts, TT can pick up decent players for similar prices while other teams deal with the cap.

Okay Falco, so name the free agency steals that Ted Thompson picked up this offseason?

[falco]

The point to FA this year is that players were overvalued. For TT to get someone who could have made a difference would have cost far too much.

Better to let other teams overpay now, and once all the mediocre players have overinflated contracts, TT can pick up decent players for similar prices while other teams deal with the cap.

Okay Falco, so name the free agency steals that Ted Thompson picked up this offseason?

I'm talking about in future years....hence my point that THIS YEAR PLAYERS WERE OVERVALUED.

[CyclonePackFan]

Well then, what player on that list do you think would have been an immediate help to the offense? Eric Steinbech, the #1 offensive FA who just came off surgery? Kevin Curtis, the Rams #3 WR? Daniel Graham, a blocking TE who had 21 catches for 235 yards last year for the Pats? Gurode, who never hit FA? Michael Turner for 1st and 3rd round draft picks? Leonard Davis? Donte Stallworth?

I guess I'm just not seeing this magical savior of the offense on that list.

[BradStrand]

Ha! As if Id have any problem whatsoever labling my time as pontless or stupid (clearly they both are)....

I made your point? Perhaps in your view...

my LT 'theory' isnt a theory at all... its just to point out that your line of questioning is flawed...

so why dont you tell us what exactly should have been done rather than disengenously asking for our input.

then I can mock you some more...

[gbpackfan]

Yeah, yeah. I've got news for you. Free agents next year will get more money then free agents this year got. The year after that, free agents will get more then free agents got the year before. Salaries aren't going to magically go down.

[falco]

Yeah, yeah. I've got news for you. Free agents next year will get more money then free agents this year got. The year after that, free agents will get more then free agents got the year before. Salaries aren't going to magically go down.

Sure, next year they will get more money. But the cap will go up less, so there will be less new money, and TT won't have blown it this year on overpaid, mediocre players.

Just wait and see.

[gbpackfan]

Ha! As if Id have any problem whatsoever labling my time as pontless or stupid (clearly they both are)....

I made your point? Perhaps in your view...

my LT 'theory' isnt a theory at all... its just to point out that your line of questioning is flawed...

so why dont you tell us what exactly should have been done rather than disengenously asking for our input.

then I can mock you some more...

You can "mock" me all you want. I could care less. My point isn't to get into a "forum fight" with you. Although I do find it amusing that you proved yourself to be pointless and stupid.

My questioning isn't flawed. It's about as straight forward as you get. Let me phrase it differently. What has TT done to improve the Packers offense?

And yes, I could go through and tell you a number of different moves that would have improved the Packers. The #1 move, seal the deal with Oakland and bring in Randy Moss. TT got out played and out smarted. Plain and simple. Either that or he was too f-ing cheap. Would one move of made the difference? Maybe not. But we had (have) enough cap space to make several moves which would have helped.

Your #3 WR is going to be Fergie, R. Martin or C. Holliday? You're happy with that?

Seriously man, we can agree to disagree. In the end, I hope you ARE RIGHT. I want the Packers and TT to be winners.