TT's three year drafting scorecard.

[Patler]

Much has been said about TT's draft empasis on defense. His three year tally is:

1st round - 1 offense, 2 defense
2nd round - 4 offense, 1 defense
3rd round - 2 offense, 2 defense
4th round - 2 offense, 3 defense
5th round - 4 offense, 1 defense
6th round - 1 offense, 4 defense
7th round - 3 offense, 2 defense

I didn't count Crosby, the kicker. I also did not count the linebacker they say they will try at fullback.

Through the 1st two rounds, its 5 to 3 offense
On the first day, its 7 to 5, offense
Overall, its 17 to 15 offense.

With three 1st round picks he has gone 2 to 1 for the defense. (Obviously, with 3 picks, one side of the ball would be ahead!) Otherwise, he appears slightly biased toward the offense.

[gureski]

What did you count Blackmon and C.Rogers as? Either Rogers or Blackmon was a CB turned WR his senior year that was drafted as a Kick return possibility. One year of WR shouldn't make him an offensive pick.

[Ballboy]

We will be the Ravens-Bears of years gone by.

Our defense will be tops in the league, but our offense will NOT be able to score....we will not have a QB after Brett leaves, but from year to year we will have journeymen running the show. Yes, we may get lucky like the Ravens and sneak in a Super Bowl based SOLEY on the defense, but I can hear the cries already...What if we still had Brett?

TT has put himself in a position not to be the bad guy in the Brett saga. He is trying to force Bretts hand to either get him to retire or "force" the team to trade him just like Walker/McKenzie(sp?) Then, when either of the two happen, TT can say "what was I going to do? He didn't want to play here or wanted to retire." This is the ego-maniac that ALL GM's are....they ARE GM's, NOT fans as you an I are.

[wist43]

The Packers defense will never be to the level of the Bears or Ravens...

Both of those teams use(d) blitzing schemes - an advantage of the 3-4 - the Packers on the other hand, play a very passive scheme completely dependent on generating pressure with their front 4. The Packers LB's are more of a liability on the blitz than they are a help.

Poppinga could be a decent pass rusher, but he doesn't play in the nickel or dime... Hawk and Barnett simply aren't blitzers.

Unless you have 4 monsters up front, it's almost impossible to expect your front 4 to generate consistent pressure w/o the blitz - and the Packers can't blitz.

They can have a decent defense, but it'll never be a lights out type of defense that can carry an offensively challenged team to a championship.

[Patler]

What did you count Blackmon and C.Rogers as? Either Rogers or Blackmon was a CB turned WR his senior year that was drafted as a Kick return possibility. One year of WR shouldn't make him an offensive pick.

I counted them where the Packers drafted them to play, Blackmon on defense, Rodgers on offense. Blackmon is the one who played offense as a Senior, but I counted him on defense, where he plays now. I also edited my first post to show that I did not count the linebacker, Hall, because the Packers claim they will play him at fullback, but until camp starts we really can't say for sure.

[run pMc]

Thanks for posting, patler.

Anybody know what Sherman's drafts look like?

34 picks (32 + Crosby + Hall) across 3 drafts is a pretty big number of picks.

It suggests a few things to me:
The bottom half of the roster was pretty talent poor when TT signed on.
TT is going for the "Jimmy Johnson/even a blind squirrel finds a nut"-style of finding players. I hope it works.
With 17 picks on O -- an average of almost 6 per draft -- it makes one wonder if how much grousing our starting QB should be doing as far as the organization not bringing in guys (i.e., a rapidly aging Moss) to help. I suppose that's a topic for another thread.
Having 5 2nd round picks is pretty impressive; too bad Murphy didn't pan out. If he had I think people wouldn't be howling (as much) about the WR situation or Javon wanting out of town.

[woodbuck27]

Re: TT's three year drafting scorecard.

Much has been said about TT's draft empasis on defense. His three year tally is:

1st round - 1 offense, 2 defense
2nd round - 4 offense, 1 defense
3rd round - 2 offense, 2 defense
4th round - 2 offense, 3 defense
5th round - 4 offense, 1 defense
6th round - 1 offense, 4 defense
7th round - 3 offense, 2 defense

I didn't count Crosby, the kicker. I also did not count the linebacker they say they will try at fullback.

Through the 1st two rounds, its 5 to 3 offense
On the first day, its 7 to 5, offense
Overall, its 17 to 15 offense.

With three 1st round picks he has gone 2 to 1 for the defense. (Obviously, with 3 picks, one side of the ball would be ahead!) Otherwise, he appears slightly biased toward the offense.

With those picks Patler.

How many TD's did they score? How many yards did they gain via the air?How many yards did they rush?

[prsnfoto]

What you really have here is a lesson in quanity over quality, I could see doing that in the 2005 draft when Sherman had depleted the depth but, the bottom line is we have seen little to no production from any of his Offensive picks except the linemen and 1/2 season of Jennings. I admit the Murphy pick was bad luck. I respect your post Patler but this is a case of stats that don't mean shit, all the playmakers on this team are still from the Wolf/Sherman era on Offense, or should I say were there ain't many left.

[pbmax]

I think you might see a change in strategy after the special teams pick up. Three different Special Teams coaches can't all be bad, and our STs have stunk for a long while.

Doesn't that mean the bottom of the roster was/is weak?

Wist, didn't the old 46 Bears, the Tobin Bear D and the new Bears play the 4-3? I mean, blitzing or no, the Bears start three linebackers now in the Lovie Smith Cover 2. And with Rivera gone, that might change. Tampa used to blitz far more with corners than LBs.

And Rivera's D background was with Jim Johnson in Philly.

[pacfan]

Re: TT's three year drafting scorecard.

Much has been said about TT's draft empasis on defense. His three year tally is:

1st round - 1 offense, 2 defense
2nd round - 4 offense, 1 defense
3rd round - 2 offense, 2 defense
4th round - 2 offense, 3 defense
5th round - 4 offense, 1 defense
6th round - 1 offense, 4 defense
7th round - 3 offense, 2 defense

I didn't count Crosby, the kicker. I also did not count the linebacker they say they will try at fullback.

Through the 1st two rounds, its 5 to 3 offense
On the first day, its 7 to 5, offense
Overall, its 17 to 15 offense.

With three 1st round picks he has gone 2 to 1 for the defense. (Obviously, with 3 picks, one side of the ball would be ahead!) Otherwise, he appears slightly biased toward the offense.

With those picks Patler.

How many TD's did they score? How many yards did they gain via the air?How many yards did they rush?

yeah and what was their favorite color too? :P

[Scott Campbell]

Anybody know what Sherman's drafts look like?

Yeah. They looked like crap.

[Bretsky]

Under Ted Thompson's watch he allowed Wahle, Flanagan, Rivera, Javon Walker, Ahman Green, and David Martin leave via free agency.

Right or wrong, how could he NOT focus on offense ? Did he have any other chance but to stock up on OL....WR ?

I'm not one to rip TT for neglecting the offense, but I'm CERTAINLY NOT going to praise him for stocking it up either.

At this point in his reign the offense seems to be weaker than when he took over. Hopefully that will change.

[Bretsky]

I think you might see a change in strategy after the special teams pick up. Three different Special Teams coaches can't all be bad, and our STs have stunk for a long while.

Doesn't that mean the bottom of the roster was/is weak?

Wist, didn't the old 46 Bears, the Tobin Bear D and the new Bears play the 4-3? I mean, blitzing or no, the Bears start three linebackers now in the Lovie Smith Cover 2. And with Rivera gone, that might change. Tampa used to blitz far more with corners than LBs.

And Rivera's D background was with Jim Johnson in Philly.

I get a kick out of people ripping our special teams coaches. The former one, John Bohnemengo sp? , succeeded before Green Bay, and he's doing just fine now.

It's more accurate to say our special teams players stink. Speaking of, where is Allen Rossum ? It'd be nice to have another return man who is a real threat again.

[wist43]

I think you might see a change in strategy after the special teams pick up. Three different Special Teams coaches can't all be bad, and our STs have stunk for a long while.

Doesn't that mean the bottom of the roster was/is weak?

Wist, didn't the old 46 Bears, the Tobin Bear D and the new Bears play the 4-3? I mean, blitzing or no, the Bears start three linebackers now in the Lovie Smith Cover 2. And with Rivera gone, that might change. Tampa used to blitz far more with corners than LBs.

And Rivera's D background was with Jim Johnson in Philly.

They run 4-3's but they are completely different schemes... the Packers stack their LB's inside the DE's more often than not, and they sit there static until the snap, read and react.

The DT's aren't exclusively 2 gap tackles, they do have some wiggle and ability to penetrate, but they are more 2 gappers than they are 1 gappers. The Packers don't have anyone nearly as good as Tommie Harris.

As for the 46 defense the Bears ran back in the 80's - look at that defense... pro bowlers everywhere. Their DL was nothing short of awesome - Otis Wilson, Wilbur Marshall, Fencik, etc... can't remember all of them - but they were all good. Besides the talent, the 46 defense was revolutionary, and really caught offenses completely off guard. Eventually offenses caught up with their protection schemes, but it took a couple of years.

[wist43]

Under Ted Thompson's watch he allowed Wahle, Flanagan, Rivera, Javon Walker, Ahman Green, and David Martin leave via free agency.

Right or wrong, how could he NOT focus on offense ? Did he have any other chance but to stock up on OL....WR ?

I'm not one to rip TT for neglecting the offense, but I'm CERTAINLY NOT going to praise him for stocking it up either.

At this point in his reign the offense seems to be weaker than when he took over. Hopefully that will change.

He did replace all those guys:

Colledge for Wahle (worse)
Wells for Flanigan (worse)
Spitz for Rivera (worse)
Jennings for Walker (worse)
Jackson/Morency for Green (worse)
Harris for Martin (big bunch of, "who cares")

Of course some of that turnover was necessary. Rivera and Flanigan were nearing the end; but Wahle, Walker, and Green make no sense to me. When you have pro bowl players, you keep them... Green's departure is rationally debatable, but Walker and Wahle were both in their primes.

We're seeing the results of all that turnover on the field, i.e. a completely anemic offense that can't score pts.