I spoke with Bob Harlan today. INTERESTING.

[Joemailman]

We'll never know if TT could have gotten Moss because we don't know how much New England would have countered with if TT had made a stronger offer. The way things went down, it appears New England was Moss' first choice, and would have been given an opportunity to top any offer the Packers made. The Packers, on the other hand, were not given a chance to top New England's offer.

[RashanGary]

We'll never know if TT could have gotten Moss because we don't know how much New England would have countered with if TT had made a stronger offer. The way things went down, it appears New England was Moss' first choice, and would have been given an opportunity to top any offer the Packers made. The Packers, on the other hand, were not given a chance to top New England's offer.

I agree with this (as far as NE getting a chance) but I doubt NE would have gone much higher. Moss really isn't that coveted right now. I think we could have had him for a 3rd and a few mroe dollars. I still think Moss will flop but he is worth the risk. TT offering a 5th with the money we have, the draft picks we have and the condition of our team is definitly low balling.

I think he made a mistake and even though there is a good chance this blows up on NE, I still think it was worth the risk. Moss has a chance to be a true difference maker even though the odds are he won't.

[pbmax]

I would like to go into the business of selling Justin and Bretsky anything they want.

I know I'll get a great return on my investment because they are both believers that after you have reached an agreed upon price, they should pay you more than you asked. Because to pay the agreed upon price is lowballing. (Unless I am missing the joke, then you can forget this paragraph)

I've never heard of a team trading during the draft getting a written agreement before the pick. The trade happens when the pick comes up on the board.

Prior to the draft is another story. If Thompson made a mistake, it was not lowballing, it was a failure to insist that the paperwork be filed on Friday. But it could be that either Moss or the Raiders refused, wanting to wait and see what might happen. Then T2 would have had a clear indication Green Bay wasn't the first choice.

But in either case, Bulldog is right, if Moss had wanted to play in Green Bay, his agent would have called back. The Packers and Favre were the stalking horse.

[Bretsky]

I would like to go into the business of selling Justin and Bretsky anything they want.

I know I'll get a great return on my investment because they are both believers that after you have reached an agreed upon price, they should pay you more than you asked. Because to pay the agreed upon price is lowballing. (Unless I am missing the joke, then you can forget this paragraph)

I've never heard of a team trading during the draft getting a written agreement before the pick. The trade happens when the pick comes up on the board.

Prior to the draft is another story. If Thompson made a mistake, it was not lowballing, it was a failure to insist that the paperwork be filed on Friday. But it could be that either Moss or the Raiders refused, wanting to wait and see what might happen. Then T2 would have had a clear indication Green Bay wasn't the first choice.

But in either case, Bulldog is right, if Moss had wanted to play in Green Bay, his agent would have called back. The Packers and Favre were the stalking horse.

Like TT, you'd fail to close the deal

And you are fooling yourself if you don't think trades are already made before the draft, or before day 2. It's entirely possible and happens.

Wake up to find a guy you thought you had with with NE; G.M.A.F.B. !!

[RashanGary]

I think Moss's value around the league is lower than his production would merit becuase of his attitude. We had a chance to get him for a 5th and a production based deal but with that low of a price you are leaving things open for others to swoop in. In hindsight, that is exactly what happened.

I'm a pretty big fan of the way Thompson is doing things but if you really wanted Moss, you over bid a little and keep him away from the opposition. Normally I'm not willing to overbid for the average junk you find on the UFA market but with Moss it is a gamle and I'm a bit of a gambler so I would have taken the risk to up it too a 3rd and a few more gauranteed dollars.

If you want to sell me something that I feel might be worth 3X what I'm paying, there will be a chance I bite. If you want to sell me the typical junk in the UFA market then I'll gaurantee you that you'd have a hard time getting anywhere near the inflated UFA value out of me. I'd just sign one of my own guys early for less.

[gureski]

We'll never know if TT could have gotten Moss because we don't know how much New England would have countered with if TT had made a stronger offer. The way things went down, it appears New England was Moss' first choice, and would have been given an opportunity to top any offer the Packers made. The Packers, on the other hand, were not given a chance to top New England's offer.

I disagree with this statement. We may never know whether THompson could've gotten Randy Moss but it wont be because we don't know what the counter offer could've been. Based on Favre's comments, the Packers could've had Moss. I take that to mean that Thompson had a window of opportunity, before N.E. made its push, to seal the deal. Favre was emphatic that the team could have had Moss. He was in direct communication with Moss. IF Moss had merely spurned the Packers offer because he preferred to play in N.E. than why would Favre have gotten upset at Thompson? Favre would've been pissed at Moss, not Thompson. But that's not what happened. The normally laid back Favre was fit to be tied and his anger was directed at Thompson. There is a reason for that and if you think of different motives, one logical reason is that Thompson had the chance to make the deal before N.E. got into the picture and just didn't pull the trigger. We don't know and wont know what really happened until our reporter friends work their sources and get to the bottom of this. That may never happen so we may never know the truth but I do, in my opinion, feel that Thompson had a chance to nail the deal down and blinked.

[Zool]

This thread has been jacked.

[chewy-bacca]

Re: I spoke with Bob Harlan today. INTERESTING.

Thanks. I was much nicer to Bob Harlan then I was on John Jones' voice mail.

Way to stick it to the Noob.

[pbmax]

Of course I'd complete the deal, it would just take time as each day you would up the price you're willing to pay

And I agree that this deal SHOULD have been done before the draft, I said as much in that post.

But you can't do it if the other side won't sign the papers until the pick.

It was in the Raider's and Moss' interest to wait. The Packers could keep bidding against themselves and the Raiders still wouldn't have needed to sign.

But the best argument that the deal COULD NOT have been completed is that neither the Raiders or Moss called back. That tells you everything you need to know about his wishes. The only caveat is if T2 had already said final offer.

I would like to go into the business of selling Justin and Bretsky anything they want.

I know I'll get a great return on my investment because they are both believers that after you have reached an agreed upon price, they should pay you more than you asked. Because to pay the agreed upon price is lowballing. (Unless I am missing the joke, then you can forget this paragraph)

I've never heard of a team trading during the draft getting a written agreement before the pick. The trade happens when the pick comes up on the board.

Prior to the draft is another story. If Thompson made a mistake, it was not lowballing, it was a failure to insist that the paperwork be filed on Friday. But it could be that either Moss or the Raiders refused, wanting to wait and see what might happen. Then T2 would have had a clear indication Green Bay wasn't the first choice.

But in either case, Bulldog is right, if Moss had wanted to play in Green Bay, his agent would have called back. The Packers and Favre were the stalking horse.

Like TT, you'd fail to close the deal

And you are fooling yourself if you don't think trades are already made before the draft, or before day 2. It's entirely possible and happens.

Wake up to find a guy you thought you had with with NE; G.M.A.F.B. !!

[LL2]

It was mentioned this morning by John Clayton on ESPN that there was little chance of Moss going to GB once the Patriots entered the picture. Favre can say they could’ve had him, but the lure by a potential SB team is too strong. Favre needs to change his attitude and start working with the guys on the team and help them develop into good players. Who knows Clowney could be this years Colston? You never know. He sure has the speed at 4.36 to go down the field a grab a long bomb by Favre. My concerns are more with the fact that Favre’s throws are more heaves that end up in the opponents hands.

[woodbuck27]

That is really something gbpackfan.

Nice scoop on the comments fr. Bob Harlan that Bus Cook wasn't Randy Moss's agent in what transpired for his move to the Pat's.

Didn't TT want the Raiders to come back if they got a better offer than his offer of a 5th Rd. pick?

If Randy Moss veto'd a trade to Grenn Bay and specified his desire to go to NE? Then why would Oakland bother calling TT back to up the anti?

Did Randy Moss have that power in his contract with Oakland?

Just a thought.

All the facts will be revealed in time.

Nice thread opening post gbpackfan. Way to go !!

GO PACK GO !!

[woodbuck27]

We'll never know if TT could have gotten Moss because we don't know how much New England would have countered with if TT had made a stronger offer. The way things went down, it appears New England was Moss' first choice, and would have been given an opportunity to top any offer the Packers made. The Packers, on the other hand, were not given a chance to top New England's offer.

I disagree with this statement. We may never know whether THompson could've gotten Randy Moss but it wont be because we don't know what the counter offer could've been. Based on Favre's comments, the Packers could've had Moss. I take that to mean that Thompson had a window of opportunity, before N.E. made its push, to seal the deal. Favre was emphatic that the team could have had Moss. He was in direct communication with Moss. IF Moss had merely spurned the Packers offer because he preferred to play in N.E. than why would Favre have gotten upset at Thompson? Favre would've been pissed at Moss, not Thompson. But that's not what happened. The normally laid back Favre was fit to be tied and his anger was directed at Thompson. There is a reason for that and if you think of different motives, one logical reason is that Thompson had the chance to make the deal before N.E. got into the picture and just didn't pull the trigger. We don't know and wont know what really happened until our reporter friends work their sources and get to the bottom of this. That may never happen so we may never know the truth but I do, in my opinion, feel that Thompson had a chance to nail the deal down and blinked.

It sure looks like sound analysis to me.

But just the facts mame. That's where we have to go.

This stuff is about as intriguing as determining the CIA's role in whatever.

[BradStrand]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not "freaking out" but this is his second biggest mistake after Wahle IMO. He could have kept Wahle. He could have pushed it forward to right now when we are having a hard time spending it.

Again though, these are the obvious mistakes, I still think things are going good overall. You can't be a GM and not make mistakes.

No way... TTs biggest mistake was not defusing the Javon Walker situation early on. We wouldnt even be talking about that sack of Moss if Walker was still in GB.

[Fritz]

We can discuss ??? Good point although wouldn't you pick the Pats if you were in Moss' shoes? Watch him have a big year and than sign with the Pack next year and play like crap again.

Yes, if I was Moss I'd go to the Patriots and win a Super Bowl. Don't blame him a bit.

He may have got his wishes, but IMO we still could have had him.

To me, the line above in boldface is the key to this discussion. It has been well-documented that if Randy Moss does not get what he wishes, he makes sure everybody knows he's pissing on the parade until he gets what he wants (first out of Minny, now out of Oakland). So what if TT had called back, had raised the ante, had pulled the trigger? Earlier reports - prior to the draft reports - stated that Moss would renegotiate only with NE; other interested parties would have to pay the full salary. It seems to me he knew he wanted to go to NE prior to the draft - I think NE got involved only a day or two before the draft, but still before the draft began. Therefore, had TT upped the ante and brought Moss in, the same Moss who wanted to go to NE, what reason does anyone have to think that Moss would play the role of the happy camper in GB? How long before Moss was packing his bags - again?

If the dude wanted to be here, I could accept the Packers offering more than a fifth, as GBPackFan suggested Harlan said was offered. But if, as it seems, he was set on NE and no where else, then GBPackfan's comments about what Harlan said about Moss's agent make perfect sense, and the Pack would have made a mistake to try to get a guy who didn't want to be here.

[Bretsky]

Earlier reports - prior to the draft reports - stated that Moss would renegotiate only with NE; other interested parties would have to pay the full salary


This is the part I don't buy at all

We also had a window to close the deal

I'm not sure if we should have (although you know my view), but I undoubtedly feel we could have at a reduced rate for Moss

Again, I never expected Moss, especially when I heard another team was interested.

My guess is Oakland had been dicking around what they perceived to be GB's lowballing for a couple months and had no issues sending him to NE. On that last part I have no evidence.