to all the TT haters

[mraynrand]

The GMs who wasted Favre were Wolf and Sherman. They had him when he was still young, when the better players on the team were still young and when the nucleus of the team had been together for a while.

Uhh, I disagree on several points here. The Packers were in decline when Sherman was hired as head coach. Positions of extreme weakness on the team included DL, LB, WR, RB, OL. Wolf gave Sherman on final solid draft and GM job in 2000, but Sherman gets credit for developing and using properly Clifton, Tauscher, Wahle, Franks, KGB, Green, etc.

Sherman also Inherited a QB in his tenth season suffering from severe elbow tendinitis that affected him all of 2000 - a QB that suffered knee ligament damage in 2002, and a broken thumb in 2003. Favre's mobility took a nose dive following the knee injury, but prior to that point (and the loss of 9 starters in 2002), Sherman had led the Packers to an 8-1 record, had revamped the WR crew, and had Favre and the offense running at a high level. Sherman's running attack and pass protection schemes together reduced the number of pressures and sacks Favre suffered in 1998 and 1999.

Was the nucleus of the team together when Sherman started? Well, you had Favre and Sharper. As I mentioned, RB, WR, LB, and OL and DL were pretty much worthless or filled with stop-gap guys. Earl Dotson (back) was lost right away in 2000, Butler (shoulder) was injured and gone in 2001, Gilbert Brown (appetite) was lost and had one more fairly average season, Santana Dotson (bicep - edit - quad tendon) was lost . So what was the nucleus? It was the 2000 draft and Green, which Wolf aquired and Sherman developed.

Sherman didn't 'waste' Favre - he clearly mortgaged the future to WIN NOW with trading draft picks for Walker, Glenn, Harris. Favre had one of his best statistical seasons in 2004, despite problems with mobility - specifically because of the schemes Sherman put in place. I would argue that Sherman PRESERVED Favre. Yes he was unlucky with injuries in 2002 and was a miserable failure in the draft and in GM and coaching decisions in the 2003 offseason, but to say he wasted Favre, had a young Favre, and had a nucleus of young players that had 'been together a while' is really a stretch.

[PackerBlues]

I think that so far, people are far more concerned with the personnel that Thompson is getting for M3 than they are with the job that M3 is doing with the personnel he has to work with. My guess is that nobody really expects much out of M3 because of the personnel he has to work with. No knock on the new guys, it just takes time to teach a system to a player that has no experience in said system. That is where the veteran free agents would be helpful if Thompson would just use free agency. When you get a veteran player, you are not just looking at his stats and his salary, you also have to look at his experience. Even if a guy has not played in "our system", chances are, he has played against it (or a close enough variation of it) enough times, that he would be able to not only learn it faster, but he would also be in a position to help teach it to the rookies faster as well.

[mraynrand]

TT inherited an aging roster that lacked depth because of poor drafting and constant trade-ups by Sherman. To top it off, TT inherited a poor cap situation AND prominant players in contract-significant years.

By the time TT got there, the Packers had no shot and needed retooling. TT is doing what HAD to be done.

I do agree with these points

[Freak Out]

Re: to all the TT haters

There seems to be a sentiment that Ted and or the Pack owes Brett a shot at a championship. Well over the last three years has Brett made a commitment beyond one year at a time? It's a two way street folks and seeing as how everyone forgot that Brett has played his little game of should I or shouldn't I one should give Ted credit for taking that as his cue to do his own thing.
One more thing, although its easy now to say but who would've guessed that Brett would be available in every game? TT has to consider that Brett could have been injured and his career over. Its not like we're talking about a 24 to 26 year old guy who would be a lot more likely to come back from something. TT had to take that into consideration or he'd be an idiot.

Ted has one job....bringing a SB back to GB. I think he is blowing his one good chance before he gets fired. I hope I'm wrong.

[Freak Out]

The GMs who wasted Favre were Wolf and Sherman. They had him when he was still young, when the better players on the team were still young and when the nucleus of the team had been together for a while.

Uhh, I disagree on several points here. The Packers were in decline when Sherman was hired as head coach. Positions of extreme weakness on the team included DL, LB, WR, RB, OL. Wolf gave Sherman on final solid draft and GM job in 2000, but Sherman gets credit for developing and using properly Clifton, Tauscher, Wahle, Franks, KGB, Green, etc.

Sherman also Inherited a QB in his tenth season suffering from severe elbow tendinitis that affected him all of 2000 - a QB that suffered knee ligament damage in 2002, and a broken thumb in 2003. Favre's mobility took a nose dive following the knee injury, but prior to that point (and the loss of 9 starters in 2002), Sherman had lead the Packers to an 8-1 record, had revamped the WR crew, and had Favre and the offense running at a high level. Sherman's running attack and pass protection schemes together reduced the number of pressures and sacks Favre suffered in 1998 and 1999.

Was the nucleus of the team together when Sherman started? Well, you had Favre and Sharper. As I mentioned, RB, WR, LB, and OL and DL were pretty much worthless or filled with stop-gap guys. Earl Dotson (back) was lost right away in 2000, Butler (shoulder) was injured and gone in 2001, Gilbert Brown (appetite) was lost and had one more fairly average season, Santana Dotson (bicep) was lost . So what was the nucleus? It was the 2000 draft and Green, which Wolf aquired and Sherman developed.

Sherman didn't 'waste' Favre - he clearly mortgaged the future to WIN NOW with trading draft picks for Walker, Glenn, Harris. Favre had one of his best statistical seasons in 2004, despite problems with mobility - specifically because of the schemes Sherman put in place. I would argue that Sherman PRESERVED Favre. Yes he was unlucky with injuries in 2002 and was a miserable failure in the draft and in GM and coaching decisions in the 2003 offseason, but to say he wasted Favre, had a young Favre, and had a nucleus of young players that had 'been together a while' is really a stretch.

Very nice Gault.

[ZachMN]

I'm not taking a shot at Brett when I write Favrah- I purposely mispronounce any name of someone or something that I have an affinity for. Coming from me its a term of endearment and if you don't like it oh well..............................................


Don't misunderstand me, I am not anti Brett. I was a 9 and 10 years old in MN wearing Green Bay gear and getting ripped for it. Had a helmet which I still regret throwing out when I moved. I still get misty eyed remembering the day on the local news when the reporter said-l'ooks like Green Bay is going to win a Super Bowl'- while showing the highlights of Brett throwing to Kitrick Taylor. That really happened. I kid you not.
I still like Lynn Dickey better however......
he was my first ya know!!!

GO PACK GO