A.J. Hawk, Greg Jennings, Justin Harrell

[Bretsky]

Re: A.J. Hawk, Greg Jennings, Justin Harrell

Harrell hasn't proven any more on the field yet than Jamal Reynolds or Ahmad Carroll did after they were drafted...and he is still potentially capable of turning out to be as much of a bust. I'm not saying he will...I like the pick. However, to claim he has a chance to be special is useless...because any top 20 pick at this point is viewed in the same light regardless of team.

From what the scouts said and eveyrthing I hear, I think Harrell has a better chance than any taken in the 13-20 range from this draft. His motor, drive, size and effectiveness are all things that make me think he stands a better than usual chance. Sure, he could flop. I just think he has the physical ability and the work ethic to go with it much like Hakw and Jennings so I say he succeeds.

All blind predictions based on what others have seen and the rosy pictures that have been painted for us to believe.

Hawk was a no brainer pick there; of course we should be excited about him

TT deserves a lot of credit for the Jennings selection

[Scott Campbell]

Re: A.J. Hawk, Greg Jennings, Justin Harrell

Harrell hasn't proven any more on the field yet than Jamal Reynolds or Ahmad Carroll did after they were drafted...and he is still potentially capable of turning out to be as much of a bust. I'm not saying he will...I like the pick. However, to claim he has a chance to be special is useless...because any top 20 pick at this point is viewed in the same light regardless of team.

From what the scouts said and eveyrthing I hear, I think Harrell has a better chance than any taken in the 13-20 range from this draft. His motor, drive, size and effectiveness are all things that make me think he stands a better than usual chance. Sure, he could flop. I just think he has the physical ability and the work ethic to go with it much like Hakw and Jennings so I say he succeeds.

All blind predictions based on what others have seen and the rosy pictures that have been painted for us to believe.

Hawk was a no brainer pick there; of course we should be excited about him

TT deserves a lot of credit for the Jennings selection

Spitz and Colledge too.

[Bretsky]

Re: A.J. Hawk, Greg Jennings, Justin Harrell

Harrell hasn't proven any more on the field yet than Jamal Reynolds or Ahmad Carroll did after they were drafted...and he is still potentially capable of turning out to be as much of a bust. I'm not saying he will...I like the pick. However, to claim he has a chance to be special is useless...because any top 20 pick at this point is viewed in the same light regardless of team.

From what the scouts said and eveyrthing I hear, I think Harrell has a better chance than any taken in the 13-20 range from this draft. His motor, drive, size and effectiveness are all things that make me think he stands a better than usual chance. Sure, he could flop. I just think he has the physical ability and the work ethic to go with it much like Hakw and Jennings so I say he succeeds.

All blind predictions based on what others have seen and the rosy pictures that have been painted for us to believe.

Hawk was a no brainer pick there; of course we should be excited about him

TT deserves a lot of credit for the Jennings selection

Spitz and Colledge too.

Yup, well Collegge at least for now. He'll be a player IMO.

I'm not on the Spitz wagon yet; he showed some good and bad things last year and was a less than adequate players in several games.

[RashanGary]

Well, to tell you the truth; the biggest reason I like Harrell is because Thompson thought he was the best player available after Lynch went. That excites me. Oh shit, who am I kidding; Thompson's whole approach and history excites me, why beat around the bush.

[Bretsky]

Well, to tell you the truth; the biggest reason I like Harrell is because Thompson thought he was the best player available after Lynch went. That excites me. Oh shit, who am I kidding; Thompson's whole approach and history excites me, why beat around the bush.

I didn't see anything that stated Ted Thompson though Harrell was better than the three picks ahead of us, but he was BPA at #16 for sure.

But that isn't reason to annoint him as anything until we see how well he performs in the NFL.

I do hope you are right though

B

[RashanGary]

Go back and listen to the post Harrell TT conference. He said after pick #12 he was keyed in on Justin Harrell. That said to me that Harrell was rated above every player after Lynch.

Thompson never really says anyting with certainty but him saying he zoned on on Harrell after pick 12 said a lot to me about what he thought of Harrell. That is the biggest reason I took Harrell as my new screen name. I think Thompson had a very strong opinion based on that statement in the press conference.

[RashanGary]

I searched and searched. I remember one point and I'll paraphrase the best I can here, that he said "After about pick 12 or so we had justin targeted"

I went through and searched and searched. I can't find wehre he said that. I just spent 30 minutes listenting to clips. WTF..I know he said it though, unless i was dreaming which I don't think I dream TT press conferences.

[retailguy]

YOUR THEORY?

right.

I've been saying it since the Philly/NY Giants playoff game. When the season was done, I pegged them as the weak link to the offense.

Most said TE, WR and RB. I said Oline.

You'll have to go back and find that quote. No way I believe that, we chatted in the draft thread about this. You'd have mentioned "your theory" then if it were true.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Collins lacks instinct imo and a S who alcks that will never be a stud imo. Butler oozed instincts.

Butler may be one of the top 10 safeties of all-time. Collins is a normal young player with a ton of talent. It took Darren Sharper 3 years before he was even close to decent, and he became an All-Pro.

[retailguy]

Collins lacks instinct imo and a S who alcks that will never be a stud imo. Butler oozed instincts.

Butler may be one of the top 10 safeties of all-time. Collins is a normal young player with a ton of talent. It took Darren Sharper 3 years before he was even close to decent, and he became an All-Pro.

I just don't understand the comparisons to Leroy Butler. Leroy played in this league for over 10 years. Nick Collins is entering year 3. He's got time. Worst case he's adequate. Best case, he continues to improve. Why don't you guys talk about something important, like why Marquand Manuel still has a job...

[cpk1994]

Collins lacks instinct imo and a S who alcks that will never be a stud imo. Butler oozed instincts.

Butler may be one of the top 10 safeties of all-time. Collins is a normal young player with a ton of talent. It took Darren Sharper 3 years before he was even close to decent, and he became an All-Pro.

I just don't understand the comparisons to Leroy Butler. Leroy played in this league for over 10 years. Nick Collins is entering year 3. He's got time. Worst case he's adequate. Best case, he continues to improve. Why don't you guys talk about something important, like why Marquand Manuel still has a job...

Hope and pray for the health of Marviel Underwood and Marquand will be gone.

[RashanGary]

You'll have to go back and find that quote. No way I believe that, we chatted in the draft thread about this. You'd have mentioned "your theory" then if it were true.

I agreed with you that the line was the biggest problems at least once recently and even made a big deal out of it because it was nice to have someone in full agreement. I sort of gave up on talking about it because the first time I brought it up *which was near the end of the season when posts got lost* nobody said much.

I said and I'll do my best to paraphrase my old quote "Troy Aikman was covering the Philly/Giants game and he was saying the teams in the redzone that are successfull are the teams that can run the ball" I went on to say "I think the Packers biggest problem all year was the offensive lines inability to get a push when other teams know it si coming, like the redzone, and I think Aikmans theory on redzone production really backs this up"

Everyone came on and said, yeah but we need a TE and a #3 WR. I just sort of gave up on running my theory by people becuase most were pretty set on the theory that it was the skill guys. Then you came in and said the line was the biggest reason and it made my ears perk up because that was the exact post I was looking for months ago when I first made my post. It might have even been a full thread but everything from October - Febuary is GONE and I was here so I just don't know where it went.

[RashanGary]

Retailguy,

Yiou're missing all of your posts from October through early Jan so it would be hard for me to dig up anything that either of us said in that time frame. I believe it was a late december playoff game.

[Bretsky]

You'll have to go back and find that quote. No way I believe that, we chatted in the draft thread about this. You'd have mentioned "your theory" then if it were true.

I agreed with you that the line was the biggest problems at least once recently and even made a big deal out of it because it was nice to have someone in full agreement. I sort of gave up on talking about it because the first time I brought it up *which was near the end of the season when posts got lost* nobody said much.

I said and I'll do my best to paraphrase my old quote "Troy Aikman was covering the Philly/Giants game and he was saying the teams in the redzone that are successfull are the teams that can run the ball" I went on to say "I think the Packers biggest problem all year was the offensive lines inability to get a push when other teams know it si coming, like the redzone, and I think Aikmans theory on redzone production really backs this up"

Everyone came on and said, yeah but we need a TE and a #3 WR. I just sort of gave up on running my theory by people becuase most were pretty set on the theory that it was the skill guys. Then you came in and said the line was the biggest reason and it made my ears perk up because that was the exact post I was looking for months ago when I first made my post. It might have even been a full thread but everything from October - Febuary is GONE and I was here so I just don't know where it went.

This will be unfair entrapment but I'll do it anyways

All of last year I begged for the Snapper to sign a OG so we could let the draft picks battle it out with a veteran and may the best two win. Nothing wrong with letting one of them develop as a backup.

Considering how weak you considered the overall OL play to be last year, would you agree that TT should have signed a vet ? It is his job to put a winning team together and if the OL was as glaring of a weakenss as you point out, shouldn't that fall back onto him ? Signing a vet OL seemed to glaringly obvious to me if we wanted to compete last year. He did have 35MIL last year

[HarveyWallbangers]

Would a veteran have done better? He signed the likes of Matt O'Dwyer two years ago. That didn't work. Also, I think he really thought Kevin Barry would compete at OG.