Fergy At A Crossroads (Again!)

[Merlin]

Does anyone know why he hasn't been released? We let Henderson go who made less money, was on the field more and made a much bigger impact on any success the team has had and we kept Ferguson?

I mean really, is he 3T's love interest?

[Joemailman]

Having Fergy there is one more guy to provide competition, which is what everybody strives for in training camp. IF TT decides to keep 6 WR's, Fergy's special teams skills could possibly land him on the team (Sorry Bretsky), especially if some of the younger guys aren't doing the job on special teams.

[packrulz]

How soon people forget. I remember the big third down catches Fergy has made over the years, not to mention his great special teams play. Sherman drafted him and I wanted Chambers too but I still think Fergy is pretty darn good, I hope he makes you all regret giving up on him too soon.

[Bretsky]

How soon people forget. I remember the big third down catches Fergy has made over the years, not to mention his great special teams play. Sherman drafted him and I wanted Chambers too but I still think Fergy is pretty darn good, I hope he makes you all regret giving up on him too soon.

I think you are duplicating memories of similar plays on third down Fergy was never that good, and his play on specials was exaggerated. Patler bought out swarms of details regarding his special team play. He was solid there, but no star.

Fergie has failed us six years now; how much more time do we give him ?

[packrulz]

In the past 4 years he has never had below a 13 yd receiving avg, in the playoffs it was 11.3, in 2004 he had 21 kick returns for 526 yds and a 25 yd avg. Yea, Fergy sucks, lets dump him.

[The Leaper]

This guy has had more chances at life than Morris the cat. To this point, he's failed EVERY TIME.

I see no reason to believe he suddenly is going to turn on a light switch. He doesn't have the fire. He doesn't have the capacity. He's nothing more than a tease.

I could see the reason for support if he had a 1000 yard or 10 TD season somewhere in his past...something that showed he might have the ability to be a reliable starter.

In reality...that just is not there, and the massive amount of cap space we have will be partially used to terminate one more failed Sherman draft pick. We have other guys with plenty more potential and desire.

[Bretsky]

In the past 4 years he has never had below a 13 yd receiving avg, in the playoffs it was 11.3, in 2004 he had 21 kick returns for 526 yds and a 25 yd avg. Yea, Fergy sucks, lets dump him.

Funny that you would use one stat to make this argument; here is a more clear picture of his contributions

2001 - 1 GAME-NO STATS- Was inactive for first 9 games and he was NOT hurt; he was immature and not good enough to be active on gameday

2002- 16 Games-16 Catches (ONE per GAME) for 293 yards
2003- 15 Games 38 Catches (WOW, OVER TWO PER GAME) 520 Yards
2004- 13 Games 24 Catches (career is frickin sprouting now) 367 Yards
2005- 11 Games 27 Catches (back over 2 a Game again )366 Yards
2006- 4 Games 5 Catches 31 Yards

CAREER 60 Games 116 Catches 1577 Yards 12 TD's

Less than 2 Catches a Game and Less than 30 Yards a game; sure am happy he averages over 13 yards per catch

[packrulz]

This guy has had more chances at life than Morris the cat. To this point, he's failed EVERY TIME.

I see no reason to believe he suddenly is going to turn on a light switch. He doesn't have the fire. He doesn't have the capacity. He's nothing more than a tease.

I could see the reason for support if he had a 1000 yard or 10 TD season somewhere in his past...something that showed he might have the ability to be a reliable starter.

In reality...that just is not there, and the massive amount of cap space we have will be partially used to terminate one more failed Sherman draft pick. We have other guys with plenty more potential and desire.

I refuse to cut a guy if he's hurt, granted Fergy is hurt a lot, but when healthy he's been productive. He has the desire and has been busting his ass to get in shape, he's a 3rd WR so how is he supposed to get 1,000 yds and 10 TD's?

[Bretsky]

KICKOFF RETURNS- NOTHING SPECIAL AS WELL

G # YDS AVG LONG TD
2001 Green Bay Packers 1 2 32 16.0 16 0
2002 Green Bay Packers 16 6 113 18.8 25 0
2003 Green Bay Packers 15 7 148 21.1 31 0
2004 Green Bay Packers 13 21 526 25.0 71 0
2005 Green Bay Packers 11 2 44 22.0 22 0
2006 Green Bay Packers 4 5 110 22.0 26 0

[4and12to12and4]

How soon people forget. I remember the big third down catches Fergy has made over the years, not to mention his great special teams play. Sherman drafted him and I wanted Chambers too but I still think Fergy is pretty darn good, I hope he makes you all regret giving up on him too soon.

I think you are duplicating memories of similar plays on third down Fergy was never that good, and his play on specials was exaggerated. Patler bought out swarms of details regarding his special team play. He was solid there, but no star.

Fergie has failed us six years now; how much more time do we give him ?

Numbers aren't everything Bretsky, and ANYONE who actually WATCHES and UNDERSTANDS watch they're watching knows that when on the field, Fergy's two biggest problems (excluding the injuries, obviously, and I'm not arguing here whether or not he can stay healthy) were:

1. Detaching himself from his defender and becoming an "open" target for Brett.

2. Brett actually throwing him the ball every once in a while.

I tvo'd the games last year, and until his injury, as i rewatched MANY plays, Fergy was as open if not more open than the receiver Brett chose to go to (usually DD or Jennings). In fact, on the slant play that Jennings caught off of a tip and weaved 70plus yards for a TD, Fergy was running a slant on the outside and was actually more open than Jennings on that play. As in many, many, many plays Brett did the ol' glance at Fergy as soon as he started his backstride before ANY of the receivers had even passed the line of scrimmage, and never looked back. Now, I am not blaming Brett for this, everyone that has followed brett all these years knows that he throws very exclusively to guys he trusts especially on first and second down, and third down becomes more of a free for all because Brett buys himself more time and makes things happen, even if they are forced. This is why Fergy had so many third down catches when healthy, Brett was going back through his reads again by the time he got to Fergy and would then throw him the ball.

As far as special teams goes, give me all the numbers you want, i can say this about Fergy, he busted his ass on EVERY kickoff to get to the returner, and usually was the first or second guy down there. He also busts his ass on running plays and all other plays in terms of blocking, etc.. So, say what you will about him these years, one thing for sure is that he has put 100% out there every play, and THAT IS WHY HE IS STILL ON THE ROSTER. Those kinds of players are hard to find. If he ever stays healthy and can gain Brett's trust, he could put on a show out there, his ability has always been there.

OK, I did it. I put my head and neck out there guys. Go ahead, take a swing, and chop her off in one solid stroke, so as to eliminate the suffering as much as possible. You're mercy is appreciated.

[MJZiggy]

Nice post 4and12 and it makes sense, but it doesn't mean a thing if the dude can't stay healthy. We'll see what happens when and if the foot heals up.

[Bretsky]

How soon people forget. I remember the big third down catches Fergy has made over the years, not to mention his great special teams play. Sherman drafted him and I wanted Chambers too but I still think Fergy is pretty darn good, I hope he makes you all regret giving up on him too soon.

I think you are duplicating memories of similar plays on third down Fergy was never that good, and his play on specials was exaggerated. Patler bought out swarms of details regarding his special team play. He was solid there, but no star.

Fergie has failed us six years now; how much more time do we give him ?

Numbers aren't everything Bretsky, and ANYONE who actually WATCHES and UNDERSTANDS watch they're watching knows that when on the field, Fergy's two biggest problems (excluding the injuries, obviously, and I'm not arguing here whether or not he can stay healthy) were:

1. Detaching himself from his defender and becoming an "open" target for Brett.

2. Brett actually throwing him the ball every once in a while.

I tvo'd the games last year, and until his injury, as i rewatched MANY plays, Fergy was as open if not more open than the receiver Brett chose to go to (usually DD or Jennings). In fact, on the slant play that Jennings caught off of a tip and weaved 70plus yards for a TD, Fergy was running a slant on the outside and was actually more open than Jennings on that play. As in many, many, many plays Brett did the ol' glance at Fergy as soon as he started his backstride before ANY of the receivers had even passed the line of scrimmage, and never looked back. Now, I am not blaming Brett for this, everyone that has followed brett all these years knows that he throws very exclusively to guys he trusts especially on first and second down, and third down becomes more of a free for all because Brett buys himself more time and makes things happen, even if they are forced. This is why Fergy had so many third down catches when healthy, Brett was going back through his reads again by the time he got to Fergy and would then throw him the ball.

As far as special teams goes, give me all the numbers you want, i can say this about Fergy, he busted his ass on EVERY kickoff to get to the returner, and usually was the first or second guy down there. He also busts his ass on running plays and all other plays in terms of blocking, etc.. So, say what you will about him these years, one thing for sure is that he has put 100% out there every play, and THAT IS WHY HE IS STILL ON THE ROSTER. Those kinds of players are hard to find. If he ever stays healthy and can gain Brett's trust, he could put on a show out there, his ability has always been there.

OK, I did it. I put my head and neck out there guys. Go ahead, take a swing, and chop her off in one solid stroke, so as to eliminate the suffering as much as possible. You're mercy is appreciated.

Numbers don't lie either or bring in bias opinions. What the numbers show is Feruson has failed to produce.

Fergie has a lot more problems than the two you listed. I'd agree that #1 and #2 are problems. But despite his frame he doesn't go hard after the ball. If you recall his play and understand what you are watching I don't need to point out a couple obvious examples of this. Yes, there are clear examples of why a QB would not want to rely on Robert Ferguson.

One of the reasons Favre trusted Javon Walker so much was Walker would effectively turn into a DB and prevent the INT on poor throws. Ferguson goes up and loses that battle all too often when things are even; he clearly lacks that skill.

I've never said he doesn't give 100%; I just pointed out that he teases with a play or two every preseason and then fails to produce. I don't get wow'd by his talent like you appear to at all. He's just a guy, and a guy that doesn't stay healthy or produce.

I'll be surprised if he makes the roster this year.

[packrulz]

In the past 4 years he has never had below a 13 yd receiving avg, in the playoffs it was 11.3, in 2004 he had 21 kick returns for 526 yds and a 25 yd avg. Yea, Fergy sucks, lets dump him.

Funny that you would use one stat to make this argument; here is a more clear picture of his contributions

2001 - 1 GAME-NO STATS- Was inactive for first 9 games and he was NOT hurt; he was immature and not good enough to be active on gameday

2002- 16 Games-16 Catches (ONE per GAME) for 293 yards
2003- 15 Games 38 Catches (WOW, OVER TWO PER GAME) 520 Yards
2004- 13 Games 24 Catches (career is frickin sprouting now) 367 Yards
2005- 11 Games 27 Catches (back over 2 a Game again )366 Yards
2006- 4 Games 5 Catches 31 Yards

CAREER 60 Games 116 Catches 1577 Yards 12 TD's

Less than 2 Catches a Game and Less than 30 Yards a game; sure am happy he averages over 13 yards per catch

First of all, Fergy is the 3rd WR, he's not going to get the ball as much as Driver, so it's tough for him to jack up the stats if Favre isn't throwing to him. I know Fergy has made some big 3rd down catches, I can't find the stats but I do remember him doing it. 13 yd AVG is pretty damn good, Bretsky, as a career avg. I notice you didn't put in his kick return yds or his 25 yd return avg. Oh yea, his SP play is overrated, well the Pack could use 25 yds on KR right now. I'd be the first to say let him go if he was lazy, stupid, or just a bust, but I don't think he is. I say let him get healthy and battle for a spot.

[Bretsky]

In the past 4 years he has never had below a 13 yd receiving avg, in the playoffs it was 11.3, in 2004 he had 21 kick returns for 526 yds and a 25 yd avg. Yea, Fergy sucks, lets dump him.

Funny that you would use one stat to make this argument; here is a more clear picture of his contributions

2001 - 1 GAME-NO STATS- Was inactive for first 9 games and he was NOT hurt; he was immature and not good enough to be active on gameday

2002- 16 Games-16 Catches (ONE per GAME) for 293 yards
2003- 15 Games 38 Catches (WOW, OVER TWO PER GAME) 520 Yards
2004- 13 Games 24 Catches (career is frickin sprouting now) 367 Yards
2005- 11 Games 27 Catches (back over 2 a Game again )366 Yards
2006- 4 Games 5 Catches 31 Yards

CAREER 60 Games 116 Catches 1577 Yards 12 TD's

Less than 2 Catches a Game and Less than 30 Yards a game; sure am happy he averages over 13 yards per catch

First of all, Fergy is the 3rd WR, he's not going to get the ball as much as Driver, so it's tough for him to jack up the stats if Favre isn't throwing to him. I know Fergy has made some big 3rd down catches, I can't find the stats but I do remember him doing it. 13 yd AVG is pretty damn good, Bretsky, as a career avg. I notice you didn't put in his kick return yds or his 25 yd return avg. Oh yea, his SP play is overrated, well the Pack could use 25 yds on KR right now. I'd be the first to say let him go if he was lazy, stupid, or just a bust, but I don't think he is. I say let him get healthy and battle for a spot.

Please look up five posts; I posted all his kickoff stats as well. I'm fine to let him battle it out, but TT picking two pretty decently rated WR's probably signals his end.

[4and12to12and4]

Well, his talent and ability is much more than "just a guy". But, in some way, I guess the good thing if he doesn't make the team, it will be because Holiday, Ruvell, or James has stepped up and impressed. So, we will see. I just hate bashing this guy all the time. I hear so much negativity about him, and though he has had many injuries, the humanitarian in me roots for him, and I would love for him to prove so many wrong. I'm glad that TT is giving him one final chance. And, i think we all can agree, this IS his last chance. Even he admits that.