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**Brandon494** · 05-20-2007, 05:38 PM

I don't understand how you say Martin made play after play when he only had 1 TD on the season. His only really big game was against the Bears to end the season. I still dont think this guy is anything but a #4 WR at best. You also forgot to add David Clowney and Aaron Rouse. I could see Rouse being a starter for us in the future and Clowney is our fastest WR and has experience as a KR.

**Merlin** · 05-20-2007, 05:46 PM

Interesting that in the players you like in the top tier, one has never played in the NFL, one has played one season, and the other played about half a season. Can you say media hype bias? I would say your opinion on anything has just taken a nose dive since it's obvious that the players you "like a lot" has almost no experience between them. You and 3T are made for each other.

**PackerTimer** · 05-20-2007, 06:40 PM

Interesting that in the players you like in the top tier, one has never played in the NFL, one has played one season, and the other played about half a season. Can you say media hype bias? I would say your opinion on anything has just taken a nose dive since it's obvious that the players you "like a lot" has almost no experience between them. You and 3T are made for each other.

I think that was the point. Picking young guys who could take a step forward and help this team win games. I'm gonna add Brandon Jackson. Guy has a great attitude and could make some big plays next year.

**Joemailman** · 05-20-2007, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by Merlin

Interesting that in the players you like in the top tier, one has never played in the NFL, one has played one season, and the other played about half a season. Can you say media hype bias? I would say your opinion on anything has just taken a nose dive since it's obvious that the players you "like a lot" has almost no experience between them. You and 3T are made for each other.

I don't think it's hype to say that Hawk will be a Pro-Bowler. He was an impact player as a rookie and should only get better. I'm not sure why you refer to Jennings having played half a season. He played in 14 of 16 games, and made the all-rookie team despite hampered by an ankle injury. Before the injury he definitely showed he has big play ability. As for Harrell, we'll have to wait and see. However, his scouting report says he has the ability to occupy blockers at the line, which is exactly what the Packers want in the running game. Harrell won't always get the tackle, but he should make Hawk and Barnett even better.

**RashanGary** · 05-20-2007, 07:14 PM

Dude, I was picking young guys who are in rookie contracts and look to step it up. Sheesh, it's not like I called the thread "proven vets who look to continue their current trecks"

It's the off season. It's all about thinking about what might come and who might step up. Relax.

**Bretsky** · 05-20-2007, 07:28 PM

The good

Driver- Class guy who you'll always count on
Hawk- Exciting to project how good this guy can be
Jennings- Has the talent; I'm interested to see if his body will hold up full year
Collins- He could be a guy to step up his game
Colledge- Showed promise at end of last year and hoping he'll be stronger

Neutral

Harrell- Hope he lives up the the Turtle hype
Poppinga- Has to show improvement to be a long term starter
Underwood- Torn ACL; toughest injury to come back from
Rouse- Great upside, but plays stiff. He's intruiging
Spitz- Was not getting it done at the end of the season
Moll- See above comment on Spitz
Hollyday/Martin- Interesting to see which one makes the team
Crosby- Strong leg; hopefully more accurate than Rayner

Ones I Don't like

Fraudy Ferguson- Always teases in preseason only to disappoint
Coston - I'm frickin sick of the youth excuse on this guy
Herron - Want more talented players on the roster at RB
Manuel - Limited upside, but he's Snapper choice so he prolly makes the team

**Bretsky** · 05-20-2007, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by JustinHarrell

Dude, I was picking young guys who are in rookie contracts and look to step it up. Sheesh, it's not like I called the thread "proven vets who look to continue their current trecks"

It's the off season. It's all about thinking about what might come and who might step up. Relax.

Ah, it's a good thread. I sometimes read hidden messages in your posts you probably don't intend due to your unbreakable TT support. You probably read my biases all the time too, even when they are not meant.

Cheers,
B

**packers04** · 05-20-2007, 08:06 PM

Big Contributors this Season

These are people I believe will make a big contribution to the team as rookies this year or for vets, take their play up a few notches and pleasantly surprise fans
Justin Harrell
Greg Jennings
James Jones
Vernand Morency
Will Blackmon
Brandon Jackson
Zac Alcorn
Jarrett Bush

Notes on individual players - Will Blackmon and Jarrett Bush have a good chance to be the future of our Secondary... these guys are YOUNG and have a TON of talent. i see both of these guys being long term packers.
Zac Alcorn - the coaches are high on this kid and like his overall game.
Justin Harrell - I know its early, but I believe TT struck GOLD with this kid.

Guys I expect to not have much of a future with the team -
Mike Montgomery - I think he'll be cut after TC this year.
Kevin Barry - Ditto
Deshawn Wynn - has talent, but no work ethic, thats what u need in this league to be a player
Robert Ferguson - will be cut or traded, especialy if james jones and clowney come on strong in TC

**Packnut** · 05-20-2007, 09:12 PM

Harrell

Gee, don't ya think Harrell's first task is proving he can stay healthy? He has a serious injury history and yet he's already taking on 2 blockers and freeing up the LB's? There is a fine line between being drunk on kool-aid and just being plain foolish..........

**RashanGary** · 05-20-2007, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Bretsky

Ah, it's a good thread. I sometimes read hidden messages in your posts you probably don't intend due to your unbreakable TT support. You probably read my biases all the time too, even when they are not meant.

Cheers,
B

I hear ya. I've done/do the same.

**RashanGary** · 05-20-2007, 09:17 PM

Re: Harrell

Originally posted by Packnut

Gee, don't ya think Harrell's first task is proving he can stay healthy? He has a serious injury history and yet he's already taking on 2 blockers and freeing up the LB's? There is a fine line between being drunk on kool-aid and just being plain foolish..........

I like Harrell because all of the scouts say he was ultra effective. He's got size, and power and it translates to the field. Add to that the fact that he is considered an A+ character guy and a hard worker who got himself in shape after an injury when many are completely out of shape without injury *see Robert Meachem in N.O.*

I just think a guy with hsi work ethic and his potential will pan out. I'm just reading signs that have nothing to do with my acctual football observations, I'll admit that but I think he's going to be one of our top lineman for years to come based on what I read and heard of his college career.

1. Big heart, lots of determination
2. Very gifted physically
3. Good football player *not just athlete*

If a guy has those 3 things, I sign up.

**RashanGary** · 05-20-2007, 09:20 PM

Similar to Mario though, I think we'll see the best of him in years 2-7 but he should be decent in his first year.

DT or power DE's just require too mcuh strength for rookies to be great in year 1. I think he'll be good now and much, much better next season.

**b bulldog** · 05-20-2007, 09:33 PM

Mario who??

**Bretsky** · 05-20-2007, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by b bulldog

Mario who??

If memory serves me right he was referred to as SuperMario by one

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