Now, if Favre had done this.....

[packinpatland]

If Brett Favre had done what Peter King reports Peyton Manning of doing, it would have been front page fodder, and he'd been heaped with crap.

1. I think this is the sign that Peyton Manning is not satisfied with winning one Super Bowl, courtesy of Tony Dungy: When he reported to the offseason program, Manning was told three veterans had not reported to the voluntary workouts and did not plan to report to the workouts. "Give me their phone numbers,'' Manning said, and he called them, and he got at least two of them to come in for some of the workouts. "He hasn't changed a bit,'' Dungy told me. "His love of the game is so great to see.''

[MadtownPacker]

Maybe Manning gave Favre a call too and that is why Favre reported??

[packinpatland]

That's 'priceless'.

[falco]

Thats bullshit. Manning called them and told them to get their asses in. He didn't go in front of the news and badmouth them.

Thats exactly what Favre should have done with Javon. Instead of calling him out to the media, call him on the phone.

Theres a big difference.

[Merlin]

"If Javon wants to know what his quarterback thinks, and I would think he might, I'd tell him he's going about this the wrong way," Favre said. "When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I'd tell him I've been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you."

"I would've never thought it would be a guy like Javon," Favre said. "I guess in this business nothing should surprise you, especially what happens when guys have a little bit of success. Some guys handle it the right way and some guys don't."

"Nowadays you're seeing more and more guys pulling that stunt," he said. "If guys continue to do that and are successful getting away with it, then I'll be gone, but I think the game will be ruined. My reaction to Javon's situation was 'Here we go again.'

"Javon has tremendous potential. We got to see some of that last year. The sky's the limit for that guy, and I'd be the first to defend him, but he's going about it the wrong way. What happened to honoring your contract and saying, 'Let's work as a team to see if we can get this done?' Why not go about it that way?

"Maybe I'm old-school, but I always thought you honor a contract. Sure, sometimes guys pass you up in salary, and maybe it's a lesser player, but it's all based on what a team has as far as value in that person."

"I sure hope the Packers don't give in to him," he said. "I don't sit up in the front office, and I don't talk to them — regardless of what people might think — and tell them who to draft and who not to draft. They don't ask me, and it's not my job. My job is to throw passes and be a leader.

"That's why I decided to speak up. I need to be a leader and even though I may not like having to do it, I think some things needed to be said."

"Whatever happened to buying into the team concept?" he said. "If Javon does what he's supposed to do, and what he is paid a lot of money to do, he's paid to go to the Pro Bowl. He wasn't complaining two years ago, and until you do go (to the Pro Bowl), you don't even think twice about what they're paying you."

"If Walker's stance doesn't change, Favre said, "I'd just as soon go without him. He's a great player. I think he can help us. He's likeable and easy to get along with, but I'm guessing he's getting the wrong advice, and he's buying into that."

"I just don't see much good that can come from it. If it gets time for the start of training camp and he's not in, I think it'll start bothering him, and he'll be here. But once again, nothing should surprise you.

"We've got guys who'll give great effort. Stars are made that way. Look what happened when Sterling left. Robert Brooks stepped up. We can win without him."

Can you show me where he called him a piece of shit or said he wasn't any good or said that the he doesn't like him? All I see is a statement of his opinion. I don't see him "messing with his business" or "badmouthing", that's the media's spin and apparently you bought into it. Favre is the leader of the offense and he has a right to state his opinion on someone who is hurting the offense by their actions. If Manning said it, it would be typed in gold print with a halo around it.

[cpk1994]

"If Javon wants to know what his quarterback thinks, and I would think he might, I'd tell him he's going about this the wrong way," Favre said. "When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I'd tell him I've been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you."

"I would've never thought it would be a guy like Javon," Favre said. "I guess in this business nothing should surprise you, especially what happens when guys have a little bit of success. Some guys handle it the right way and some guys don't."

"Nowadays you're seeing more and more guys pulling that stunt," he said. "If guys continue to do that and are successful getting away with it, then I'll be gone, but I think the game will be ruined. My reaction to Javon's situation was 'Here we go again.'

"Javon has tremendous potential. We got to see some of that last year. The sky's the limit for that guy, and I'd be the first to defend him, but he's going about it the wrong way. What happened to honoring your contract and saying, 'Let's work as a team to see if we can get this done?' Why not go about it that way?

"Maybe I'm old-school, but I always thought you honor a contract. Sure, sometimes guys pass you up in salary, and maybe it's a lesser player, but it's all based on what a team has as far as value in that person."

"I sure hope the Packers don't give in to him," he said. "I don't sit up in the front office, and I don't talk to them — regardless of what people might think — and tell them who to draft and who not to draft. They don't ask me, and it's not my job. My job is to throw passes and be a leader.

"That's why I decided to speak up. I need to be a leader and even though I may not like having to do it, I think some things needed to be said."

"Whatever happened to buying into the team concept?" he said. "If Javon does what he's supposed to do, and what he is paid a lot of money to do, he's paid to go to the Pro Bowl. He wasn't complaining two years ago, and until you do go (to the Pro Bowl), you don't even think twice about what they're paying you."

"If Walker's stance doesn't change, Favre said, "I'd just as soon go without him. He's a great player. I think he can help us. He's likeable and easy to get along with, but I'm guessing he's getting the wrong advice, and he's buying into that."

"I just don't see much good that can come from it. If it gets time for the start of training camp and he's not in, I think it'll start bothering him, and he'll be here. But once again, nothing should surprise you.

"We've got guys who'll give great effort. Stars are made that way. Look what happened when Sterling left. Robert Brooks stepped up. We can win without him."

Can you show me where he called him a piece of shit or said he wasn't any good or said that the he doesn't like him? All I see is a statement of his opinion. I don't see him "messing with his business" or "badmouthing", that's the media's spin and apparently you bought into it. Favre is the leader of the offense and he has a right to state his opinion on someone who is hurting the offense by their actions. If Manning said it, it would be typed in gold print with a halo around it.

Well, Manning wouldn't go to the press and talk about how someone else is handling their contract business. If Manning said about Marvin Harrison what Brett said about Javon and then Marvin threatened to never play with Indy again, I guarnatee you that Maaning wouldn't get away with it.

No one has ever said that Brett said that Javon was no good. No one ever said that Brett said he hated Javon. What people had a problem with is the fact that Favre stated an opinion to the press that didn't need to made. and it pissed Javon off even further than he already was. Javon may have gotten over it, but people do feel that if Brett had kept his yap shut, that Javon still may have been a Packer. Brett has a right to an opinion, but he should have made those comments to Javon's face like a man instead of hiding behind the press.

[packinpatland]

but people do feel that if Brett had kept his yap shut, that Javon still may have been a Packer. Brett has a right to an opinion, but he should have made those comments to Javon's face like a man instead of hiding behind the press.

How do you hide behind the press?????????
What 'people'????????

Javon was a jerk, who had his dad do most of his talking for him. At the time, it was time for him to act like an adult, who was getting paid ALOT of money, to simply honor the contract that he signed.

[The Leaper]

Well, Favre hasn't ripped his teammates a new asshole in the locker room after games like Manning has...when Manning had as much blame as anyone else.

If Manning feels like it is his responsibility to call these guys and get them to camp...fabulous. It really doesn't mean anything to me. In the end, the player DIDN'T WANT TO SHOW UP...and that attitude won't change long term simply because of a few phone calls from Peyton. If anything, it would SCARE me a little that Peyton has that kind of influence and control over the Colts organization...and that my coaching staff wasn't viewed as being capable of doing their job by the starting QB.

[Merlin]

You have to know that in Coltland, Manning is god and he can do whatever he wants without repercussion. He has thrown just about everyone on the team under the bus at some point in his career and I don't recall him ever apologizing for it. What's even worse is that the stupid media awarded him the Super Bowl MVP when it was so clear that he was not only NOT a team player, but his play could have cost them the super bowl against a better offensive team.

[The Leaper]

Javon was a jerk, who had his dad do most of his talking for him. At the time, it was time for him to act like an adult, who was getting paid ALOT of money, to simply honor the contract that he signed.

He was a jerk? How?

You've never complained about your paycheck? Never?

You've never wasted even FIVE MINUTES of your company's time surfing the internet or taking a long lunch?

Javon was simply trying to make sure he was fairly compensated for his physical talents...in light of the fact the game of football is violent and an NFL career can end at any time.

I hardly see how anyone can view Javon as a jerk. He was a very well spoken young man who was a positive role model in the community...not a two bit thug like any guy on the Bengals roster. You may disagree with his position in the contract situation...it hardly makes Javon a jerk.

[Merlin]

"If Javon wants to know what his quarterback thinks, and I would think he might, I'd tell him he's going about this the wrong way," Favre said. "When his agent tells him not to worry about what his teammates think and all that stuff, I'd tell him I've been around a long time and that stuff will come back to haunt you."

"I would've never thought it would be a guy like Javon," Favre said. "I guess in this business nothing should surprise you, especially what happens when guys have a little bit of success. Some guys handle it the right way and some guys don't."

"Nowadays you're seeing more and more guys pulling that stunt," he said. "If guys continue to do that and are successful getting away with it, then I'll be gone, but I think the game will be ruined. My reaction to Javon's situation was 'Here we go again.'

"Javon has tremendous potential. We got to see some of that last year. The sky's the limit for that guy, and I'd be the first to defend him, but he's going about it the wrong way. What happened to honoring your contract and saying, 'Let's work as a team to see if we can get this done?' Why not go about it that way?

"Maybe I'm old-school, but I always thought you honor a contract. Sure, sometimes guys pass you up in salary, and maybe it's a lesser player, but it's all based on what a team has as far as value in that person."

"I sure hope the Packers don't give in to him," he said. "I don't sit up in the front office, and I don't talk to them — regardless of what people might think — and tell them who to draft and who not to draft. They don't ask me, and it's not my job. My job is to throw passes and be a leader.

"That's why I decided to speak up. I need to be a leader and even though I may not like having to do it, I think some things needed to be said."

"Whatever happened to buying into the team concept?" he said. "If Javon does what he's supposed to do, and what he is paid a lot of money to do, he's paid to go to the Pro Bowl. He wasn't complaining two years ago, and until you do go (to the Pro Bowl), you don't even think twice about what they're paying you."

"If Walker's stance doesn't change, Favre said, "I'd just as soon go without him. He's a great player. I think he can help us. He's likeable and easy to get along with, but I'm guessing he's getting the wrong advice, and he's buying into that."

"I just don't see much good that can come from it. If it gets time for the start of training camp and he's not in, I think it'll start bothering him, and he'll be here. But once again, nothing should surprise you.

"We've got guys who'll give great effort. Stars are made that way. Look what happened when Sterling left. Robert Brooks stepped up. We can win without him."

Can you show me where he called him a piece of shit or said he wasn't any good or said that the he doesn't like him? All I see is a statement of his opinion. I don't see him "messing with his business" or "badmouthing", that's the media's spin and apparently you bought into it. Favre is the leader of the offense and he has a right to state his opinion on someone who is hurting the offense by their actions. If Manning said it, it would be typed in gold print with a halo around it.

Well, Manning wouldn't go to the press and talk about how someone else is handling their contract business. If Manning said about Marvin Harrison what Brett said about Javon and then Marvin threatened to never play with Indy again, I guarnatee you that Maaning wouldn't get away with it.

No one has ever said that Brett said that Javon was no good. No one ever said that Brett said he hated Javon. What people had a problem with is the fact that Favre stated an opinion to the press that didn't need to made. and it pissed Javon off even further than he already was. Javon may have gotten over it, but people do feel that if Brett had kept his yap shut, that Javon still may have been a Packer. Brett has a right to an opinion, but he should have made those comments to Javon's face like a man instead of hiding behind the press.

I believe someone, in this thread, accused Favre of "badmouthing" team mates. Although I can understand some fans frustrations with Favre and his brutally honest answers, making things up to float your own boat isn't right either. Favre answered a question from the media. He didn't go and say "hey interview me I want to say this. Favre shoots from the hip and at times he gets in trouble for it, oh well. More people should be like him instead of sugar coating everything. Manning clearly has a superiority complex, he thinks he is that good. When he makes a media blunder, someone signs him to a commercial spot. That's the way the media is, like it or not, they dictate who we love and hate in the NFL.

[packinpatland]

Javon was a jerk, who had his dad do most of his talking for him. At the time, it was time for him to act like an adult, who was getting paid ALOT of money, to simply honor the contract that he signed.

He was a jerk? How?

You've never complained about your paycheck? Never?

You've never wasted even FIVE MINUTES of your company's time surfing the internet or taking a long lunch?

Javon was simply trying to make sure he was fairly compensated for his physical talents...in light of the fact the game of football is violent and an NFL career can end at any time.

I hardly see how anyone can view Javon as a jerk. He was a very well spoken young man who was a positive role model in the community...not a two bit thug like any guy on the Bengals roster. You may disagree with his position in the contract situation...it hardly makes Javon a jerk.

One thing at a time.
1. Never have complained about a paycheck. Honest.
2. Being self-employed I'm only 'wasting' my own time being on the net.
I've been known to take all day 'lunches'
3. After signing a contract or agreeing to to terms with a client, I have
NEVER gone back and asked for more money, even when I felt entitled.
Because that is the essense of the contract. It is binding. It is there to
protect both sides.

I am not saying he was jerk in any other context, other than the way he dealt with his contract obligations. There, he acted like a spoiled little boy.
'Give me what I want, or I won't play at all'. How mature was that?

[Joemailman]

What Javon did went beyond complaining about his paycheck. In the end, he refused to honor a contract he signed. That's what got to Brett. Brett is an "old school" kind of guy in many ways, and in his way of thinking, if you sign a contract, you honor it. I don't totally agree with how Brett handled that situation. However, never did Brett say Javon didn't deserve more money. He just strongly disagreed with Javon's tactics.

[MJZiggy]

One thing at a time.
1. Never have complained about a paycheck. Honest.
2. Being self-employed I'm only 'wasting' my own time being on the net.
I've been known to take all day 'lunches'
3. After signing a contract or agreeing to to terms with a client, I have
NEVER gone back and asked for more money, even when I felt entitled.
Because that is the essense of the contract. It is binding. It is there to
protect both sides.

Can I come work with you???

[packinpatland]

What Javon did went beyond complaining about his paycheck. In the end, he refused to honor a contract he signed. That's what got to Brett. Brett is an "old school" kind of guy in many ways, and in his way of thinking, if you sign a contract, you honor it. I don't totally agree with how Brett handled that situation. However, never did Brett say Javon didn't deserve more money. He just strongly disagreed with Javon's tactics.

Yes.