Morency Adds 10 Pounds

[LL2]

I agree with Partial. LT isn’t a pile pusher either. GB doesn’t need a pile pusher to have a successful running game. AG might have been more of a pile pusher but he was also a fumbler.

[the_idle_threat]

LOL @ "pile pusher"

Nevermind!!!

[Patler]

AG might have been more of a pile pusher but he was also a fumbler.

Now you have gone and done it! My pet peeve, categorizing Green as a fumbler more so than a lot of other backs!

These are just some of the present day runningbacks who fumble more frequently than Ahman Green (fumbles per "touch")

Jamal Lewis
Ricky Williams
Travis Henry
Willie Parker
Chris Brown
Correl Buckhalter
Michael Pittman
Dominic Rhodes
Najeh Davenport

With just one more career fumble each, Reuben Droughs and Frank Gore would also be on the list.

[LL2]

AG might have been more of a pile pusher but he was also a fumbler.

Now you have gone and done it! My pet peeve, categorizing Green as a fumbler more so than a lot of other backs!

These are just some of the present day runningbacks who fumble more frequently than Ahman Green (fumbles per "touch")

Jamal Lewis
Ricky Williams
Travis Henry
Willie Parker
Chris Brown
Correl Buckhalter
Michael Pittman
Dominic Rhodes
Najeh Davenport

With just one more career fumble each, Reuben Droughs and Frank Gore would also be on the list.

Well, I wouldn't want any of them playing for the Pack either. Parker and Buckhalter maybe, but pass on the rest for sure. Especially doobie boy Williams.

[the_idle_threat]

I betcha ol' Ricky doesn't fumble the peace pipe!

[Joemailman]

If Morency can prove to be an every down back (300+ carries) who can lower his shoulder and get the tough yd... then, I'll gladly eat my words.

But, heretofor, Morency has been a 3rd down back who plays like a 3rd down back. He's a slasher who runs small and rather than trying to hit up in there and move the pile for the tough yard, he'll dance in the backfield until someone grabs him, and then he goes down pretty easily - that's who Vernand Morency is.

Morency is a good 3rd down back, but that's all he is.

I'd much rather see Jackson win the starting job and have Morency come off the bench... if you've got Vernand Morency as your starter at RB, you've got major problems.

I doubt the Packers have any intention of having Morency carry the ball 300+ times, especially since they drafted Jackson on the 2nd round. Ahman Green only had that many carries twice in his career. I think the blueprint for what the Packers would like to do would be Indianapolis. Joseph Addai had 226 carries and Dominic Rhodes had 187. No need to wear one guy out if you have 2 good backs.

[retailguy]

I told ya guys. 1000+ yards for Morency. 400+ for JAckson. They're going to have a good running attack and the loss of Green won't be big by any means.

I'll remind you of this.... :P

Clinton Portis my friend.

Ummm. No. Nothing indicates that. Portis excelled because his line opened holes. Nothing indicates at this point that our line will be remotely representative of Denver's line. If it is, Morency will do well, if it isn't, Morency will stink, just like the rest of the team.

[Partial]

I told ya guys. 1000+ yards for Morency. 400+ for JAckson. They're going to have a good running attack and the loss of Green won't be big by any means.

I'll remind you of this.... :P

Clinton Portis my friend.

Ummm. No. Nothing indicates that. Portis excelled because his line opened holes. Nothing indicates at this point that our line will be remotely representative of Denver's line. If it is, Morency will do well, if it isn't, Morency will stink, just like the rest of the team.

You guys over estimate denvers line. Do you not remember Jake the snake and the michigan guy running for their lives? Their line is NOT that good. Certainly not top 5. Probably top 15.

[retailguy]

You guys over estimate denvers line. Do you not remember Jake the snake and the michigan guy running for their lives? Their line is NOT that good. Certainly not top 5. Probably top 15.

But, Partial, their line did something consistently that our line has not - opened holes in the run game. Denver has not "developed" backs that have been successful anywhere else in the league. It was the "system" not the back.

Portis is a shell of the runner he was in Denver.

So, maybe statistically Denver is not highly ranked, HOWEVER, they consistently run block well. Nothing about 2006 indicates that our line run blocks consistently well. Nothing.

Maybe they will in 2007, but to this point, they HAVE NOT.

[Partial]

You guys over estimate denvers line. Do you not remember Jake the snake and the michigan guy running for their lives? Their line is NOT that good. Certainly not top 5. Probably top 15.

But, Partial, their line did something consistently that our line has not - opened holes in the run game. Denver has not "developed" backs that have been successful anywhere else in the league. It was the "system" not the back.

Portis is a shell of the runner he was in Denver.

So, maybe statistically Denver is not highly ranked, HOWEVER, they consistently run block well. Nothing about 2006 indicates that our line run blocks consistently well. Nothing.

Maybe they will in 2007, but to this point, they HAVE NOT.

They did better than you think. They started 3 rookies much of the year. What the heck did you expect? One was a converted tight end who became a fat boy and lacked muscle. I suspect they will be much more prepared to go this season. You are underrating the OL last year. They were decent. This year they will be your typical ron wolfe line that is good enough to win. aka solid but unspectacular.

[retailguy]

They did better than you think. They started 3 rookies much of the year. What the heck did you expect? One was a converted tight end who became a fat boy and lacked muscle. I suspect they will be much more prepared to go this season. You are underrating the OL last year. They were decent. This year they will be your typical ron wolfe line that is good enough to win. aka solid but unspectacular.

When did they do better than I think? Against Arizona? I vividly remember the New England, New York, and Minnesota (In Lambeau) games. The OL sucked all three of those games. Bubba's new nickname should be "max protect". Yes, I know they've said they have a plan to eliminate that, but, we'll see.

What I expected is that they'd hold onto a known commodity at RB until it was PROVEN that the line is stabilized. Tauscher and Clifton were "rocks" last year too. Cliffys knees are bad. Well performed at "near pro-bowl" level last year and the line still sucked. What is DIFFERENT in 2007? Other than, Spitz and Colledge gained some muscle, and a bit of experience (that's a good thing), not much changed. You forget that, most DT's gained some muscle and another year of experience too.

I'm not saying that the line will be as bad in 2007 as it was in 2006, however, I'm not thinking we're going to gain 1,400 yards on the ground in 2007 either. (Per your predictions).

It's going to be a rough six weeks to start the year. I'll check back with you week 7...

[Bretsky]

You guys over estimate denvers line. Do you not remember Jake the snake and the michigan guy running for their lives? Their line is NOT that good. Certainly not top 5. Probably top 15.

But, Partial, their line did something consistently that our line has not - opened holes in the run game. Denver has not "developed" backs that have been successful anywhere else in the league. It was the "system" not the back.

Portis is a shell of the runner he was in Denver.

So, maybe statistically Denver is not highly ranked, HOWEVER, they consistently run block well. Nothing about 2006 indicates that our line run blocks consistently well. Nothing.

Maybe they will in 2007, but to this point, they HAVE NOT.

They did better than you think. They started 3 rookies much of the year. What the heck did you expect? One was a converted tight end who became a fat boy and lacked muscle. I suspect they will be much more prepared to go this season. You are underrating the OL last year. They were decent. This year they will be your typical ron wolfe line that is good enough to win. aka solid but unspectacular.

Our expectations should be that if the best talent the GM gives us in three rookies than they should be adquate IMO

[Partial]

They did better than you think. They started 3 rookies much of the year. What the heck did you expect? One was a converted tight end who became a fat boy and lacked muscle. I suspect they will be much more prepared to go this season. You are underrating the OL last year. They were decent. This year they will be your typical ron wolfe line that is good enough to win. aka solid but unspectacular.

When did they do better than I think? Against Arizona? I vividly remember the New England, New York, and Minnesota (In Lambeau) games. The OL sucked all three of those games. Bubba's new nickname should be "max protect". Yes, I know they've said they have a plan to eliminate that, but, we'll see.

What I expected is that they'd hold onto a known commodity at RB until it was PROVEN that the line is stabilized. Tauscher and Clifton were "rocks" last year too. Cliffys knees are bad. Well performed at "near pro-bowl" level last year and the line still sucked. What is DIFFERENT in 2007? Other than, Spitz and Colledge gained some muscle, and a bit of experience (that's a good thing), not much changed. You forget that, most DT's gained some muscle and another year of experience too.

I'm not saying that the line will be as bad in 2007 as it was in 2006, however, I'm not thinking we're going to gain 1,400 yards on the ground in 2007 either. (Per your predictions).

It's going to be a rough six weeks to start the year. I'll check back with you week 7...

3 games... against premiere run defenses. Every offensive line sucked against those guys. You're living in a fantasy world. Most of the conferences DTs got worse. Illinois have a DT that tore his ACL in one of the final weeks of the season. No way is he even near 100%. Pat Williams is another year older on his legs. He will be worse. Shaun Rodgers is probably going to smoke and eat himself out of the league.

I am not at all worried about the offensive line or the offense. We've got holes at TE, thats about it. Lost time.

[Bretsky]

They did better than you think. They started 3 rookies much of the year. What the heck did you expect? One was a converted tight end who became a fat boy and lacked muscle. I suspect they will be much more prepared to go this season. You are underrating the OL last year. They were decent. This year they will be your typical ron wolfe line that is good enough to win. aka solid but unspectacular.

When did they do better than I think? Against Arizona? I vividly remember the New England, New York, and Minnesota (In Lambeau) games. The OL sucked all three of those games. Bubba's new nickname should be "max protect". Yes, I know they've said they have a plan to eliminate that, but, we'll see.

What I expected is that they'd hold onto a known commodity at RB until it was PROVEN that the line is stabilized. Tauscher and Clifton were "rocks" last year too. Cliffys knees are bad. Well performed at "near pro-bowl" level last year and the line still sucked. What is DIFFERENT in 2007? Other than, Spitz and Colledge gained some muscle, and a bit of experience (that's a good thing), not much changed. You forget that, most DT's gained some muscle and another year of experience too.

I'm not saying that the line will be as bad in 2007 as it was in 2006, however, I'm not thinking we're going to gain 1,400 yards on the ground in 2007 either. (Per your predictions).

It's going to be a rough six weeks to start the year. I'll check back with you week 7...

3 games... against premiere run defenses. Every offensive line sucked against those guys. You're living in a fantasy world. Most of the conferences DTs got worse. Illinois have a DT that tore his ACL in one of the final weeks of the season. No way is he even near 100%. Pat Williams is another year older on his legs. He will be worse. Shaun Rodgers is probably going to smoke and eat himself out of the league.

I am not at all worried about the offensive line or the offense. We've got holes at TE, thats about it. Lost time.

Pat Williams WORSE ?

He's still relatively young

Not worried about anything but TE ? That's it ?

Gosh you make it sound like we are a contender; I sure hope you expect nothing less than a playoff victory if you truly think we are that good.

[Charles Woodson]

They did better than you think. They started 3 rookies much of the year. What the heck did you expect? One was a converted tight end who became a fat boy and lacked muscle. I suspect they will be much more prepared to go this season. You are underrating the OL last year. They were decent. This year they will be your typical ron wolfe line that is good enough to win. aka solid but unspectacular.

When did they do better than I think? Against Arizona? I vividly remember the New England, New York, and Minnesota (In Lambeau) games. The OL sucked all three of those games. Bubba's new nickname should be "max protect". Yes, I know they've said they have a plan to eliminate that, but, we'll see.

What I expected is that they'd hold onto a known commodity at RB until it was PROVEN that the line is stabilized. Tauscher and Clifton were "rocks" last year too. Cliffys knees are bad. Well performed at "near pro-bowl" level last year and the line still sucked. What is DIFFERENT in 2007? Other than, Spitz and Colledge gained some muscle, and a bit of experience (that's a good thing), not much changed. You forget that, most DT's gained some muscle and another year of experience too.

I'm not saying that the line will be as bad in 2007 as it was in 2006, however, I'm not thinking we're going to gain 1,400 yards on the ground in 2007 either. (Per your predictions).

It's going to be a rough six weeks to start the year. I'll check back with you week 7...

3 games... against premiere run defenses. Every offensive line sucked against those guys. You're living in a fantasy world. Most of the conferences DTs got worse. Illinois have a DT that tore his ACL in one of the final weeks of the season. No way is he even near 100%. Pat Williams is another year older on his legs. He will be worse. Shaun Rodgers is probably going to smoke and eat himself out of the league.

I am not at all worried about the offensive line or the offense. We've got holes at TE, thats about it. Lost time.

Pat Williams WORSE ?

He's still relatively young

Not worried about anything but TE ? That's it ?

Gosh you make it sound like we are a contender; I sure hope you expect nothing less than a playoff victory if you truly think we are that good.

As much as i hate to even side with partial 33 isnt relatively young (in football standards) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Wil...ball_player%29