Tweet
Originally posted by Patler
it's been a while.Snapper brought in Roman II with Manuel.
-
danged I was busted it's been a while.
Snapper brought in Roman II with Manuel.TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER -
Don't see how they can ever have a "premier" defense b/c of the scheme... they'll never be a lights out unit that can consistently win games 6-3.
They can be good enough to look like an elite unit against the woeful dregs of the NFC North, but against good offenses, with good offensive lines, they'll continue to get drilled.
Good offensive lines will be able to shut down the pass rush of the front 4, and since the scheme is nauseatingly passive, and they really don't have any legitimate blitzers... I just don't see how they can possibly be an elite unit.
Beyond that, you have to assume that the defense will be on the field an awful lot this coming year... and, after Favre retires, they'll be on the field even more. Very few defenses can hold up under that kind of pressure (Baltimore, SD, Pitt).wistComment
-
You've got it right there wist43.Originally posted by wist43
A decent offense that can run the ball very well is needed to rest the defense or otherwise by mid season the defense is on the field too long and gets worn down.
It WAS CLEARLY SHOWN LAST SEASON THAT WE COULDN'T RUN THE BALL WELL.
TT's response was to allow Ahman Green to depart GB and to toss his support and confidence behind RB's that virtually have no NFL experience.
Who do we have that wil pick up the short and third down's?
Before we have to be concerned over the short and goal we need to operate alot better in the Red Zone.
Didn't we lead the NFL in dropped pass's?
TT's response was to ignore the need for a solid number 2 WR and to go with the status quo or worse (losing David Martin) at the TE position.
IT WAS CLEARLY SHOWN LAST SEASON THAT OUR OFFENSE WAS HORRID IN THE RED ZONE.
TT's response was to further weaken our offense on paper. Anyone with any honesty and ability to analyse the present situation with the Packers has to see this is a fact or agree that our offense certainly appears weaker.
IT WAS CLEARLY SHOWN LAST SEASON THAT FAVRE'S PASSING AVERAGE AND OUR ABILITY TO MOVE THE BALL WAS IMPEDED BY TOO MANY DROPPED PASS'S. PASS'S THAT WERE DROPPED BECAUSE OUR OFFENSE WASN'T ASSIGNMENT SURE OR PREPARED?
TT's response is still to load up the coaching staff's responsibility to fix it.
As a Packer fan I fully realize that Mike McCarthy and his staff have alot to fix. Alot to fix and without the full support of our GM.
Today we are aware that TT has decided to sit on some $9 million dollars of CAP space that he could have otherwise used to upgrade our talent level on the offense.
NFL analysts and Packer fans are well aware that Ted Thompson for whatever reason has decided that this season our progress has to be impeded or otherwise progress on the management decisions he decided to make.
One of those decisions was not to take any aggressive approach to build off of our record of 2006.
Ted Thompson has decided to allow our already poor running game to risk a poorer outcome in 2007.
He has decided to not upgrade at WR or at the TE position.
He has decided that our secondary was just fine in 2006, when the fans see real concern with the starting SS position and nickle and dime package.
Today . . TT sits on $9 million dollars in CAP space?** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. ThoreauComment
-
No 2nd round RB can come into the league and do well, so there's no hope for the running game. Also, there's only one defensive scheme that you can win with in the NFL."There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted ThompsonComment
-
It's the combination of what the Packers do on both sides of the ball that will make it difficult for them to win it all IMO.Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
For the offensive scheme to be SB calibur, they have to have an all-pro calibur QB. They don't, and the odds that they will anytime soon, are long.
The defensive scheme is weak IMO, but they are assembling some talent on that side of the ball, so they have a shot at being better than average; but, the scheme certainly isn't going to help carry them to a SB.
Put the two together, and you have pretty long odds on making it to a SB.
If they had the all-pro QB, the could get by with the passive defensive scheme they run; or, if they ran a pressure 3-4, or had 4 all-pro defensive linemen, then they could maybe get by with having a slug at QB, and then still have a shot at a SB.
But, as I said, put the two schemes together on the same team, I think you have a problem.wistComment
-
This may have been previously posted:Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
Posted May 20, 2007
Offense searches for a point man
By Rob Demovsky
rdemovsk@greenbaypressgazette.com
Any evidence — any bona fide, tangible proof — that the Green Bay Packers will be any more explosive on offense than last year, when they ranked 22nd in the NFL in points, is hard to find.
Coach Mike McCarthy will go with largely the same cast on offense — minus running back Ahman Green, who left in free agency.
General Manager Ted Thompson never addressed the play-making positions in free agency, though he did take a running back (Brandon Jackson) and two receivers (James Jones and David Clowney) within the first five rounds of last month's draft.
Quarterback Brett Favre is back for his 17th NFL season, but at 37, there's no telling when his skills will reach the point of significant deterioration.
Yet for some reason, McCarthy, in his second season as coach, believes he knows where points — and more of them — will be found.
"I'm going to have to show you, because you guys don't believe," McCarthy said before this weekend's minicamp.
"So, we're going to have to show you."
When Green signed with the Houston Texans, the Packers lost a four-time Pro Bowl running back who last season, even coming off a major leg injury, rushed for 1,059 yards in 14 games.
In his place, it could be running back by committee with Jackson and third-year pro Vernand Morency likely to share the bulk of the carries unless one of them flashes something special.
Thompson failed to pull off a trade for Randy Moss, meaning the top of the receiving corps is the same as last year with starters Donald Driver and Greg Jennings leading a group that also includes unprovens like Ruvell Martin and Carlyle Holiday, the underachieving Robert Ferguson and the rookies.
"The running back group, I think you'll be impressed," McCarthy said.
"I've watched the offseason program, and I'm happy with all of them, but the running back group and the receiver group are busting their (butts).
"One thing I know that's consistent with this business, if you do it right all the time, regardless of the name on your back or what people think of you outside this building, you're going to be a productive player. The efficiency of our people is definitely going to improve. The talent's young and is definitely going to improve."
The Packers also are banking on the growth and maturation of their offensive line, which last year featured rookie guards Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz.
That inexperience up front combined with the zone blocking scheme McCarthy implemented in his first season as coach made for difficulties, especially in the running game.
The Packers averaged only 81.25 yards rushing during the first four games, and even that was skewed by a 103-yard rushing performance, most of which came in garbage time, in the Week 1 blowout loss to the Bears.
For the season, the Packers ranked 23rd in the league in rushing, averaging 103.9 yards per game.
Both Colledge and Spitz will have a full NFL offseason under their belts. According to offensive coordinator Joe Philbin, who last season was the line coach, both have gotten stronger. More importantly, Philbin believes the experience they gained last season will pay dividends.
"We weren't the best pass protecting team in the league last year, but we were pretty solid," Philbin said.
"If we can maintain that and maybe get a little better there, but we've got to get our running game cranked up. We've got to have explosive gains (and) get guys to stick it in the end zone."
Improved play by the offensive line could translate into better red-zone efficiency, which would mean more points.
The Packers were last in the NFC and second-to-last (ahead of only Oakland) in the NFL in touchdown percentage when inside the opponents' 20.
In 49 trips inside the red zone, the Packers scored just 16 touchdowns.
"We'll be better than that," receiver Donald Driver said.
But that goes back to the seemingly unanswerable question: How?
Tight end Bubba Franks said he has seen "small changes to the offense that make me feel really good about it."
"The bottom line was execution — maybe a little off on a pass, a route was cut short, a dropped ball," Favre said.
"For example, against the Rams here, we're moving the ball great, and I get the ball knocked out of my hand in the red zone. I throw a ball to Donald against Buffalo, we're moving the ball and we get down to the 1-yard line (and Favre threw an interception). It's just execution here and there.
"Mike made a point that he needs to stick to the run game a little bit more. I kind of argue against that a little bit. There's a happy medium somewhere in there, and we have to find it. Yeah inexperience plays a part of it, I'm sure. There were plays to be made, put it that way."
Comment woodbuck27:
SEE STORY CHAT in following post.** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. ThoreauComment
-
Story Chat
Reader Comment Tue May 29, 2007 9:14 pm
"to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement <accused of conspiring to overthrow the government"
No conspiracy here, A conspiracy requires a group of people acting together. I believe it is only one person failing to do their job. That person is TT. I also would not doubt TT flat out lying that he was going to do something, and then doing nothing. We have a few examples of that already.
"You cannot quote an article in a paper / website ect. and really think this is what was talked about behind closed doors with #4 and the HC or GM.
Can you?"
I have the article, and I have TT's history. You have? squat.
"Do you really believe that #4 isn't being told what is going on and that he is as clueless as you think?
Can you? "
I believe he was lied to, based upon this site. I also believe he was lied to based upon his anger toward the Packers Management post draft. Has anyone EVER seen Favre lash out at management before? Based on Favre's history, TT's history and this article and Favres reaction, yes. I think Favre was lied to.
Reader Comment Tue May 29, 2007 11:03 am
loftyking and any other conspiracy lovers
You cannot quote an article in a paper / website ect. and really think this is what was talked about behind closed doors with #4 and the HC or GM.
Can you?
Do you really believe that #4 isn't being told what is going on and that he is as clueless as you think?
Can you?
Give #4 some credit for brains not just a right arm and big heart.
Also TT and the Packer org. just doesn't talk about what they are and are not doing. Never has and never will. accept it with a little less criticism and a touch more wait and see attitude.
I do not immed. jump to a conspiracy theory every time something isn't fully disclosed to the folks that do not have a NTK. (Need to Know)
Reader Comment Sun May 27, 2007 9:16 am
He knew from the beginning what situation he was getting into, and he decided to stick around.
"Besides the improvement he saw on the offensive line and defense as a whole, Favre's conversation with McCarthy also was encouraging, because the coach said that augmenting the skill positions on offense will be a priority this offseason, the source said."
Not true Finkelstein. He was lied to about what the Packers would do in the offseason. They did NOTHING to help the offense aside from add some rookies. In fact, the offense was made weaker by TT allowing Green to leave when we had the cap space to easily afford him, then TT wiffs on Moss.
Maybe you TT supporters want to gaslight the situation, but for those of us that follow what is going on your gaslighting just does not work.
check it out Sat May 26, 2007 3:15 pm
Packers67 - This is getting old... we love Favre, but he cannot have it both ways. He knew from the beginning what situation he was getting into, and he decided to stick around. He has also said repeatedly he does not want a trade.
So where does that leave him?
That leaves him with doing what he did last week - keeping his mouth shut about anything but being a good team leader on a young, promising team that simply needs more game reps to improve.
We all get emotional about Brett because of the player and person he has been, and we know it will be long before we see someone like him again, but emotions cloud good judgement and logic.
Would you rather the team mortgage its future and completely bottom out for years just to pull a desperate trade to try to win an extra game or two in 2007?
Come on, now - you're old enough to remember how Dan Devine wasted the middle of the 1970s on guys like John Hadl and Jim DelGaizo.
Do you think this team is a player or two away from beating the likes of the Patriots, Chargers or Colts, the top teams in the league? Again, no one has to apologize to him for how this team is being rebuilt for the long haul. He knew exactly what he was getting into.
This is the same argument over and over from the Ted-bashers, and you guys either won't accept it or don't get it, but here it is again - this team is in the process of a 4-5 year complete overhaul because of the condition it was left in my the last guy who DID go "all in" on the short term, wasting draft picks, money and precious cap space.
To anyone remotely paying attention, that has been clear from the beginning. And when you complain because Ted and Mac say they are NOT rebuilding, you have to be bright enough to understand that no one in their position would EVER say they are doing a complete overhaul, because that is a built-in excuse for accepting failure.
Now, to my original point of posting - if anyone is interested in what type of athletes Brandon Jackson, James Jones and David Clowney were in college, check out some of their highlight stuff on YouTube - real easy to find.
Obviously these are their best plays neatly put together to pimp them up, but anyone who thinks these guys could not be playmakers in the NFL should check it out. I'm no NFL scout, but there is speed, agility and talent there. Let's hope they work out.
Go Packers!** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. ThoreauComment
-
I will not profess to be an expert on NFL defensive schemes, but depending on the front four to generate the rush is one of the core pieces of the Tampa-2, a very good scheme. The key is the people on the line. Will the addition of Justin Harrell (who may have been a top 10 pick before getting injured), and using Jenkins to keep KGB fresh be enough against a good line? Maybe, we'll see this season. Of course if Poppinga and Manuel are still gaping holes, it won't matter too much how good the line is.Originally posted by wist43
On the other side of the ball, the skill positions won't matter too much unless the OL develops into at least an average group. They should, but we'll see.2025 Ratpickers champion.Comment
-
"We weren't the best pass protecting team in the league last year, but we were pretty solid," Philbin said.
-------------------
"Pretty solid"??? WOW... obviously, Mr. Philbin is delusional!!!
Did he even watch any of the games last year??? MAX PROTECT??? ALL YEAR!!! They were nothing short of horrible... I mean absolutely horrible.
I was watching the 2nd Minnesota game last night... the OL was nothing short of embarrassing. They couldn't block 4 with 7!!!!
I agree they should get better - stronger, but with improvement by leaps and bounds, that should get them to average.
WOW... Pretty solid??? And this guy is a coach???wistComment
-
Originally posted by woodbuck27
lol.....nice.Comment
Comment