PR "JUST A GUY" NOMINATIONS

[wist43]

Some guys can stand in front of a Jugs machine and catch balls all day long, it isn't a matter of hand-eye coordination.

Where some of these guys have problems is their mentality in the game itself... they get caught up in thinking about what the coverage is, or what their read is in realtion to the audible that was just called, is it man or zone, etc, etc... i.e. they're thinking too much about everything going on around them, and their natural talent never shows, or is at least inconsistent.

I can remember Donald Drivers first few years - he dropped some very easy balls early on... for him, it was just a matter of getting comfortable. Lee has talent... hopefully his situation is similar to Driver's and he'll be able to put it all together.

[woodbuck27]

Some guys can stand in front of a Jugs machine and catch balls all day long, it isn't a matter of hand-eye coordination.

Where some of these guys have problems is their mentality in the game itself... they get caught up in thinking about what the coverage is, or what their read is in realtion to the audible that was just called, is it man or zone, etc, etc... i.e. they're thinking too much about everything going on around them, and their natural talent never shows, or is at least inconsistent.

I can remember Donald Drivers first few years - he dropped some very easy balls early on... for him, it was just a matter of getting comfortable. Lee has talent... hopefully his situation is similar to Driver's and he'll be able to put it all together.

I believe that your saying that the player has to concentrate on accomplishing his assignment or get into the position to receive a pass and then secure the ball.

Yes the player has to feel comfortable to get that done.That means that it takes experience.

I maintain that it also takes good hands or good hand and eye co-ordination.

I've watched Favre toss the ball on an option pass towords the sidelines beachball soft and seen the FB or RB muff it, when I'm sure I could have made that catch.

[Patler]

Lee can, on one play, make a very tough catch; then, on his next opportunity, inexplicably drop an easy one.

If his hands become more consistent, I can see him being a legitimate weapon... That's a pretty big IF though, given how inconsistent he's been.

Isn't that the definition of "just a guy" for a tight end?

Lee was Miami's starter for 10 games in 2004, and they got rid of him the next year because he can't catch. Going into his fifth season that isn't likely to change.

[HarveyWallbangers]

How many balls did he drop in Miami? What are the stats? I don't remember that being the big problem with him. It was more his smarts, and the fact he was raw. If he was a starter for Miami for 10 games in 2004, it's because he was a young backup and McMichael got hurt. He could be okay. All I can go off of is his two years in Green Bay. 2005 he was solid, and looked like he had some serious upside. 2006 he didn't perform nearly as well, but was third fiddle to Franks and Martin.

[Patler]

How many balls did he drop in Miami? What are the stats? I don't remember that being the big problem with him. It was more his smarts, and the fact he was raw. If he was a starter for Miami for 10 games in 2004, it's because he was a young backup and McMichael got hurt. He could be okay. All I can go off of is his two years in Green Bay. 2005 he was solid, and looked like he had some serious upside. 2006 he didn't perform nearly as well, but was third fiddle to Franks and Martin.

I don't know how many he dropped in Miami, but I remember the article when he came to GB. One of the Miami Assistants said the knock on him out of college was intelligence and picking up NFL systems. He said Miami found that was not really a problem, they just spent a little extra time with him, and he was fine. The coach said the problem in Miami was his drops, and he hoped a change of scenery would help that because he really liked him.

In GB he has 9 drops in 75 throws over two seasons.

[Patler]

How many balls did he drop in Miami? What are the stats? I don't remember that being the big problem with him. It was more his smarts, and the fact he was raw. If he was a starter for Miami for 10 games in 2004, it's because he was a young backup and McMichael got hurt. He could be okay. All I can go off of is his two years in Green Bay. 2005 he was solid, and looked like he had some serious upside. 2006 he didn't perform nearly as well, but was third fiddle to Franks and Martin.

Some comments from a Dolphins' fan site at the time Miamia got rid of him:

by jgarMD:
"His false starts, dropped passes, fumbles, and holding penalites will not be missed. This has me smiling. God, I hated that guy."

by Fin Fan in Cali:
"Maybe he will catch a job with another team, or maybe he won't catch!"

by BSQX4:
"Lee was not going to help our team, he was going to hurt the team with his mental lapses, drops and fumbles."

A few comments from the same site the season before, when he was playing:

by jinjim:
"Lorenzo Diamond should start. Lee just drops EVERYTHING!"

by finsnchips:
"donald lee is a very good blocking TE, he's just got a problem with the whole drop thing, its a confidence thing."

by finjim:
"he's been dropping passes for a few years now, what do they see in this guy??"

by minus:
"It is a mental thing with Lee.He needs to get over the drop passes."

[Patler]

Don't get me wrong, I recognize Donald Lee has some skills Franks and others lack, mostly in running. He will be more of a downfield threat than any of the others, probably. But after four years in the NFL, I don't expect to see a change in his ability to catch. I expect he will continue to drop too many passes, just as he has the past four years.

For thatreason, he will remain "just a guy".

[Fritz]

Junius Coston is too young to be "just a guy" but if he makes the team, contributes nothing, and comes back next year for a repeat of same, then he's just a guy.

Other "just a guy"s...Donald Lee, Ruvell Martin, Tracy White, Ferguson, Mike Montgomery, Manuel, Dendy, Frank White, Charlie Peprah, Jeb Bush (or whatever that corner's name is), Tory Humphrey, Carlton Brewster, and, if he doesn't improve this year, Bubba Franks.

[Bretsky]

Junius Coston is too young to be "just a guy" but if he makes the team, contributes nothing, and comes back next year for a repeat of same, then he's just a guy.

Other "just a guy"s...Donald Lee, Ruvell Martin, Tracy White, Ferguson, Mike Montgomery, Manuel, Dendy, Frank White, Charlie Peprah, Jeb Bush (or whatever that corner's name is), Tory Humphrey, Carlton Brewster, and, if he doesn't improve this year, Bubba Franks.

It was interesting that Orange Junius Coston is skipping the voluntary workouts along with Woodson, Williams, and one other player I can't recall.

But he really sticks out because he's accomplished next to nothing in his two years on the roster and he'd fit the profile of the player you have to wonder
WTF when he isn't coming to these.

If we ever get rid of the Fraud I'll need a new whipping boy; Coston is on the radar

[Bretsky]

Junius Coston is too young to be "just a guy" but if he makes the team, contributes nothing, and comes back next year for a repeat of same, then he's just a guy.

Other "just a guy"s...Donald Lee, Ruvell Martin, Tracy White, Ferguson, Mike Montgomery, Manuel, Dendy, Frank White, Charlie Peprah, Jeb Bush (or whatever that corner's name is), Tory Humphrey, Carlton Brewster, and, if he doesn't improve this year, Bubba Franks.

Do we have a Frank White on the team

[BallHawk]

I do, in fact, like Martin well enough...Martin has #3 WR potential.

Yes! Somebody sees the light. Join the Ruvell Martin fan club! It currently consists of one member....me. I'm sure we'll get more people. Maybe, one day, we'll have as many people as the TT fan club.

[Bretsky]

I do, in fact, like Martin well enough...Martin has #3 WR potential.

Yes! Somebody sees the light. Join the Ruvell Martin fan club! It currently consists of one member....me. I'm sure we'll get more people. Maybe, one day, we'll have as many people as the TT fan club.

There seem to be 3 in the blind loyalist part and
2 in the Ruvell is My Favorite Martin Party


Definite Extreme Liberals



Gosh, is it fathomable that a person would be a member of both parties

[HarveyWallbangers]

Some comments from a Dolphins' fan site at the time Miamia got rid of him:

Comments from disgruntled Dolphin fans after he left Miami?

You can do better than that.

[Rastak]

Some comments from a Dolphins' fan site at the time Miamia got rid of him:

Comments from disgruntled Dolphin fans after he left Miami?

You can do better than that.

Ummm, he did mention the couple comments while he was still on the team....

[HarveyWallbangers]

The dude caught 20 balls in 2 years with Miami. It would just seem that he might not have had enough opportunity to even show whether he had good hands or not. When you get 20 catches in 2 years, that's a small sample size. If he dropped 4 or 5 balls, part of that could be nerves. I don't know. Maybe he dropped 20 balls in those 2 years. I'd be interested in seeing how many drops he had.

My recollection is that Lee was pretty good catching the ball in 2005 and had trouble last year.