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  • #16
    I am sure that anyone who ever watched Longwell play would agree that he was great with field goals, but was pathetic at kick offs. The points from the field goals were nice, the field position given to our opponents was not so nice. An opposing team didnt even have to try on a kickoff return and they would find themselves at the 25-30 yardline. Against any team that had a better than average return man, it was far worse.

    If we could have kept Longwell, I would have been happy to have had him as our field goal kicker. However, he was always pissin me off with his pathetic kickoffs. The only real option was to find a guy who could do both. Otherwise, use two roster spots up for Longwell to kick field goals, and another "specialist" for kick offs. Not much of an option.

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    • #17
      His kickoffs weren't pathetic early in his career. His rookie year, he averaged 65.7 yards/kickoff and had 11 touchbacks. Amongst the league leaders. Through 2002, he averaged around 61-62 yards/kickoff and around 5-7 touchbacks. The rookie year numbers were excellent. From 1998-2002, his numbers were around average. We really saw a decline in his kickoffs starting in 2003.
      "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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      • #18
        Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
        His kickoffs weren't pathetic early in his career. His rookie year, he averaged 65.7 yards/kickoff and had 11 touchbacks. Amongst the league leaders. Through 2002, he averaged around 61-62 yards/kickoff and around 5-7 touchbacks. The rookie year numbers were excellent. From 1998-2002, his numbers were around average. We really saw a decline in his kickoffs starting in 2003.
        YOu reference the league leaders and touchbacks... where did you find that info? I'd like to see where Longwell fit in each year.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by gureski
          Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
          His kickoffs weren't pathetic early in his career. His rookie year, he averaged 65.7 yards/kickoff and had 11 touchbacks. Amongst the league leaders. Through 2002, he averaged around 61-62 yards/kickoff and around 5-7 touchbacks. The rookie year numbers were excellent. From 1998-2002, his numbers were around average. We really saw a decline in his kickoffs starting in 2003.
          YOu reference the league leaders and touchbacks... where did you find that info? I'd like to see where Longwell fit in each year.

          Thanks,
          Rick
          NFL.com

          They don't have league leaders, so you'll have a lot of research to do, but they do show how each kicker did on kickoffs if you go to the player's page.
          "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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          • #20
            Longwell's rookie kickoff average was 65.7 and he had 11 touchbacks. When you compare that to some of the best outdoor, cold weather kickers in the league, those numbers compare favorably.

            John Kasay's kickoff average that year was 63.2, and he had 7 touchbacks.

            Adam Vinatieri's kickoff average that year was 62.4, and he had 4 touchbacks.

            Matt Stover's kickoff average that year was 64.9, and he had 15 touchbacks. That was also his best year, by far, in the last 14 years. Since then, his kickoff average has been around 61, and has never had more than 7 touchbacks in a season.

            David Akers has never had a kickoff average as high as Longwell's during his rookie year. Akers did average about 2 yards more, and average about 2 touchbacks/year more than Longwell was from 1998-2002.

            When Jeff Wilkins last kicked outdoors, he averaged 62.5, and he had 9 touchbacks.
            "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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            • #21
              Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
              Originally posted by gureski
              Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
              His kickoffs weren't pathetic early in his career. His rookie year, he averaged 65.7 yards/kickoff and had 11 touchbacks. Amongst the league leaders. Through 2002, he averaged around 61-62 yards/kickoff and around 5-7 touchbacks. The rookie year numbers were excellent. From 1998-2002, his numbers were around average. We really saw a decline in his kickoffs starting in 2003.
              YOu reference the league leaders and touchbacks... where did you find that info? I'd like to see where Longwell fit in each year.

              Thanks,
              Rick
              NFL.com

              They don't have league leaders, so you'll have a lot of research to do, but they do show how each kicker did on kickoffs if you go to the player's page.
              You had mentioned Longwell was amongst the league leaders his rookie year. What other numbers did you find that year for other players you looked at? You could save me some research by disclosing yours. Last time I researched Longwell, he didn't even look average when it came to kick-offs. I always remember kick-offs being an issue since his first few years. Holmgren was always cranky about field position and eventually they started to have Longwell kick for direction instead of distance because he didn't have the leg to boom the ball.

              I'm wondering about the 11 Touchbacks blip on his radar screen because the NFL, around the time of Longwell's rookie season, changed the size of the ball or they didn't let the kickers rough the ball up or something and they also changed the hash mark in which kick-offs took place. With that in mind, 11 touchbacks may not have been as impressive then compared to what 11 touchbacks would be today. Do you recall what place Longwell was that year or what others around him had (total Touchbacks)?
              Life is a puzzle. Every day you get up and pick up the pieces from the day before.
              and
              You can't keep idiots from being idiots. You can only hope to contain them.
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              • #22
                Compared to other outdoor, cold weather kickers his numbers compared very favorably. The only problem is I could only find numbers for guys that are still in the league. There were dome kickers that had better numbers (Morten Andersen was ridiculously good that year), and Jason Elam had similar numbers (but he kicked in Mile High). I probably shouldn't have said that he was amongst the leaders--because without researching every kicker, that's hard to say for sure. However, compared to the guys I just mentioned, he was near the top of the list in both categories.
                "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                • #23
                  Stop talking about the Gb weather, GB did not play every game in GB in December and the weather has not been that bad in December for a long time. His kick-offs sucked, end of story.

                  I love his percentages and they look pretty. I still remember the no-go signal in his lastyear. I remember him jissing FGs inthe first half and then in teh second half GB is down by 9 with 6 minuets left. My recollections of Longwell is that if the FG didn't matter, he would hit it. If it woudl make a big difference inthegame he would blow it.

                  Too many first hal f wiffs left GB trying to score twice with 6 minutes left instead of once. Longwell was a nice feel good story, buthe wasn't worth the money and he wasn't as good as everybody wnat to remember.

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                  • #24
                    You can say what you want, but when a kicker has the following stats, there's nothing you can say that will make me think he wasn't an excellent kicker.

                    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4080/career;_ylt=AqqQNwGNB.Jr3_3yhGzf7kf.uLYF


                    Rayner made 74.3% of his kicks last year. Longwell only had 2 years where he made less than 82% of his kicks. It might be awhile before we see a kicker perform as well as he did, year in and year out.

                    Green Bay isn't just about the cold. It's about the wind also. You can say the Green Bay weather isn't that bad, but look at his split stats. According to Yahoo, in 42 of his 144 games as a Packer he kicked in windy conditions. In 38 of his 144 games as a Packer he kicked in cold or frigid conditions. That's a lot. Maybe there's some kind of Yahoo conspiracy to try to make Longwell look better than he was, but I'll take the numbers he put up year in, year out--despite the whining.

                    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4080/splits;_ylt=Au7yT1LA5h9MXMleb2vOGZz.uLYF?year=career
                    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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