Couple things I like about the Hawk pick....

[Bretsky]

Hawk was too good to pass on. Though I would agree I do not think Greenway is that far from Hawk.

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[Anti-Polar Bear]

He's on dimensional if you don't take into account his zone coverage ability. It's like saying a QB is a bad blocker so don't take him or a DE is not very instinctive in zone coverage. It is just not something he is going to be asked to do so it's not something to even consider really.

You are correct that he is not as natural of a coverman as some other players but you are putting a lot of stock into an area that is 1 smidge away from being completely irrelevant.

Huff cannot shed block on a OG or FB. Are you saying he's on dimensional? Seriously Tank...You take one little thing wich is true BTW and blow it way out of perportion. Do you completely lack the ability to rationally weigh evidence or do you just try to stir shit up?

I was not comparing Huff to Hawk, in this instance because that would be like comparing apples to oranges. I was comparing Hawk to Greenway. Greenway is the better player overall, because he can cover and Hawk is medecre in that area.

BTW, zone coverage is overrated. Qbs always find seams against zone. If hawk cant cover TEs and RBs man to man, then he simply is a one diminsional player; you cant depend on him if your stronger side LB got hurt. Say, you have 2 good WLB on your team. What if, say, Manning gets hurt and there is no one else capable of replacing him. You cant depend on Hawk, your 5th overall pick, in this instance.

LBs who can play all 3 lb positions well are the best LBs. Greenway fits this mode.

[MadtownPacker]

Well, in this case, you are basically saying Hawk is a one dimensional players. And that is exactly what he is, a one dimensional player, who cant play the mike or sam.

I watched Greenway's highlights when Minnesota were drafting him, and that guy is better overall than Hawk. Greenway is excellent in coverage, and can do all thing things that are Hawk's strengths just as good.

You better straighten your ass out Tank! Hawk is a Packer and lavenderway is a queen so he sucks. Understand now college boy?

[Homer Jay]

I was all for Hawk being the pick, but it would have been fun to see the spin Tank would have put on Davis being the pick. I find it hard to believe he would have thought it was a good pick.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I was all for Hawk being the pick, but it would have been fun to see the spin Tank would have put on Davis being the pick. I find it hard to believe he would have thought it was a good pick.

I would be disappointed, but not THIS disappointed.

Here's the top 3 decisions that would benefit the Pack most:

1. Trade with Raiders, acquire Moss and Huff
2. Trade with NO, acquire Bush
3. Draft Davis.

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Thank you! Hawk reminds me of Jeremy Shockey and what he brought to the Giants. Some attitude and identity to a defense that really doesn't have one. I would have been just as happy with Vernon Davis but A.J. helps a whole lot sooner.

[Packers4Ever]

He's on dimensional if you don't take into account his zone coverage ability. It's like saying a QB is a bad blocker so don't take him or a DE is not very instinctive in zone coverage. It is just not something he is going to be asked to do so it's not something to even consider really.

You are correct that he is not as natural of a coverman as some other players but you are putting a lot of stock into an area that is 1 smidge away from being completely irrelevant.

Huff cannot shed block on a OG or FB. Are you saying he's on dimensional? Seriously Tank...You take one little thing wich is true BTW and blow it way out of perportion. Do you completely lack the ability to rationally weigh evidence or do you just try to stir shit up?

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I was not comparing Huff to Hawk, in this instance because that would be like comparing apples to oranges. I was comparing Hawk to Greenway. Greenway is the better player overall, because he can cover and Hawk is medecre in that area.

BTW, zone coverage is overrated. Qbs always find seams against zone. If hawk cant cover TEs and RBs man to man, then he simply is a one diminsional player; you cant depend on him if your stronger side LB got hurt. Say, you have 2 good WLB on your team. What if, say, Manning gets hurt and there is no one else capable of replacing him. You cant depend on Hawk, your 5th overall pick, in this instance.

LBs who can play all 3 lb positions well are the best LBs. Greenway fits this mode.

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Might as well give it up, Bretsky and Nick and others, there are those who are simply unable to listen to others' viewpoints and ponder them, they only listen to what they themselves have to say.
But we can watch next fall when Tank eats his own words !!!!

[Scott Campbell]

SATURDAY, April 29, 2006, 3:34 p.m.

By Cliff Christl
The fallacy about Hawk
Tight end Vernon Davis might have a bigger upside than A.J. Hawk. Mario Williams, Reggie Bush, Vince Young and D'Brickashaw Ferguson might be superior athletes.

But Hawk isn't just a high-motor, hard-nosed throwback as a linebacker. Any linebacker who stands 6-foot-1, weighs 243 pounds, runs a 4.59 or better 40-yard dash and jumps 40 inches is a special athlete.

[RashanGary]

Hawk might not be as good at covering TE's but he's better at every single toher area........

[MJZiggy]

But we can watch next fall when Tank eats his own words !!!!

It'll never happen as I'm finding out. Even when he gives you his word on something, it is no good. You owe me, Tank. Pay up!

[Joemailman]

When I watched Hawk against Notre Dame, the thing that impressed me most was his instincts. It seemed like he must have had a copy of the Notre Dame playbook. That is more important than what his 40 time was.

Notre Dame had a great offense. No defensive player was able to do to them what Hawk did.

[Homer Jay]

I read a couple of places that Hawk wasn't very good at rushing the quarterback. Can somebody tell me how he ended up with 9.5 sacks? I'd take something close to that next season.

[RashanGary]

Favre, Hawk, Woodson, Collins, Barnett, Clifton, Tauscher, Driver......

We have enough good players to be really good next year. By far the biggest addtion is Hawk. Woodson is OK but Hawk is a true playmaker who will grow with the team.

[Bretsky]

Favre, Hawk, Woodson, Collins, Barnett, Clifton, Tauscher, Driver......

We have enough good players to be really good next year. By far the biggest addtion is Hawk. Woodson is OK but Hawk is a true playmaker who will grow with the team.

Darnell Bing, Ko Simpson, and Demetrius Williams would still make wonderful additions.

[jack's smirking revenge]

I hope some of them are left around our picks. Some 2nd/3rd round talent there.

tyler