Packers Sign Draft Pick Rouse; Release Barry, Bourke

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Re: UPDATE

Patler, where did you get a copy of the CBA?

Unless this is an item in his contract, this cannot be the offical reason. Teams cannot cut players due to football injuries.

Yes, they can, for failure to pass the pre-season physical of the year following the injury. Teams do it all the time. What they can't do is release a player who passes the yearly physical and then is injured. That is when you hear about injury settlements, or when individual protection has been negotiated into the player's contract.

If a player is injured, follows rehabilitation requirements and fails to pass the preseason physical the next season, the club can waive him. If the club waives him he falls under an "insurance provision" of the CBA:

(c) The player must have failed the pre-season physical examination given by the Club physician for the season following the season of injury because of such injury and as a result his Club must have terminated his contract for the season following the season of injury. This pre-season physical may be given by the Club physician prior to the beginning of pre-season camp, so long as such fact is clearly communicated to the player at the time of the physical exam. The past understanding of the parties concerning a Club releasing a player who otherwise qualifies under (a) and (b) above prior to the pre-season physical examination will apply during the term of this Agreement (see Appendix B).
Section 2. Benefit: A player qualifying under Section 1 above will receive an amount equal to 50% of his contract salary for the season following the season of injury, up to a maximum payment of $275,000, if he is released pursuant to Section 1(c) above in the 2006-08 League Years unless he has individually negotiated more injury protection or a larger guaranteed salary into his contract. This amount shall be increased to $300,000 in the 2009 League Year and, if they are Uncapped Years, in the 2010-11 League Years; to $325,000 in the 2010-11 League Years, if they are Capped Years; and to $350,000 in the 2012 League Year. A player will receive no amount of any contract covering any season subsequent to the season following the season of injury, except if he has individually negotiated injury protection into that contract. The benefit will be paid to the player in equal weekly installments commencing no later than the date of the first regular season game, which benefit payments will cease if the player signs a contract for that season with another Club. A player will not be entitled to such benefit more than once during his playing career in the NFL, and such benefit shall be reduced by any salary guaranteed to the player for the season following the season of injury.

[Patler]

Re: UPDATE

Patler, where did you get a copy of the CBA?

My secret sources? You expect me to give up my secret sources?

You can find it on nflpa.com. There is actually some good information there!

[HarveyWallbangers]

same source as last two, posted on AOL fanhouse:

Not convinced. These are fan blogs, and could be highly inaccurate. Like I said, I'm sure the Texans run some power running schemes (just like all ZBS teams do). There are teams that don't run the ZBS, but have zone blocking plays also. I think they are primarily a ZBS team, and when they are looking for players to fit their scheme, I'd imagine they look for guys similar to what Green Bay and Denver look for (e.g. guys that can run). I don't think Barry is a good fit. Then again, with Sherman down there giving advice, there are other guys they've brought in that don't seem to fit either (see Samkon Gado and his struggles down there). I have feeling you won't see Gado in a Texans uniform for many more years.

[mmmdk]

The Swedish cook - how cool is that - yet you probably don't know but he sounds Norwegian. Take that from a Scandinavian who wishes he sounded Danish

[mmmdk]

What a signing - what a Rouse

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Re: UPDATE

Unless this is an item in his contract, this cannot be the offical reason. Teams cannot cut players due to football injuries.

Yes, they can, for failure to pass the pre-season physical of the year following the injury. Teams do it all the time. What they can't do is release a player who passes the yearly physical and then is injured. That is when you hear about injury settlements, or when individual protection has been negotiated into the player's contract.

If a player is injured, follows rehabilitation requirements and fails to pass the preseason physical the next season, the club can waive him. If the club waives him he falls under an "insurance provision" of the CBA.

EXACTLY. In fact that is exactly the situation with Barry and Randall detailed in the news reports:

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/category/packers/

Packers Release Kevin Barry and Josh Bourke


The Green Bay Packers have parted ways with two of their reserves on the offensive line. Both guard Kevin Barry and tackle Josh Bourke were released yesterday after they began to slip down the depth chart. Coming into the offseason, both had a chance to earn primary back-up rolls but were unable to impress Packers coaches. Both were still recovering from injuries that caused them to miss the entire 2006 season and were not helped by some of the younger offensive linemen who were having exceptional camps. In addition to releasing those two, the Packers also agreed to an injury settlement with linebacker Marcus Randall. Following the agreement, he was released as well.

[LL2]

I anxious to see what Rouse can do. I like his size and speed and hopefully he has good natural instincts to go with that.

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There are articles (actual newspaper style ones) that have Kubiak setting weight limits for the O Line as close to 300 lbs as he can get for each individual. He clearly wants to move in this direction.

But, clearly, they were in transition and used lineman and schemes common to Sherman's power game.

With the signing of Bedell, Flanagan, Leach, and Gado, it seems clear they struggled to find players for the scheme in the first year. They were also hurt with injuries on the OLine and something happened to DDavis that has escaped me for the moment.

But in contrast to Thompson, who helped McCarthy and Jags remake the interior of the line, when pressed for need they went with people that Sherman could work with in his scheme. It helps that outside of Spitz and Clifton, the Packers didn't suffer traumatic injuries that cost them a ton of games.

Clearly that sets the transition back. I don't expect Barry to sign as they are getting at least one tackle back from injury this year. But of injuries plague them again, I wonder of Barry gets a shot, if he isn't signed by then.

This seems a great illustration of working at odds with yourself.

same source as last two, posted on AOL fanhouse:

Not convinced. These are fan blogs, and could be highly inaccurate. Like I said, I'm sure the Texans run some power running schemes (just like all ZBS teams do). There are teams that don't run the ZBS, but have zone blocking plays also. I think they are primarily a ZBS team, and when they are looking for players to fit their scheme, I'd imagine they look for guys similar to what Green Bay and Denver look for (e.g. guys that can run). I don't think Barry is a good fit. Then again, with Sherman down there giving advice, there are other guys they've brought in that don't seem to fit either (see Samkon Gado and his struggles down there). I have feeling you won't see Gado in a Texans uniform for many more years.

[MJZiggy]

Re: UPDATE

Unless this is an item in his contract, this cannot be the offical reason. Teams cannot cut players due to football injuries.

Yes, they can, for failure to pass the pre-season physical of the year following the injury. Teams do it all the time. What they can't do is release a player who passes the yearly physical and then is injured. That is when you hear about injury settlements, or when individual protection has been negotiated into the player's contract.

If a player is injured, follows rehabilitation requirements and fails to pass the preseason physical the next season, the club can waive him. If the club waives him he falls under an "insurance provision" of the CBA:

(c) The player must have failed the pre-season physical examination given by the Club physician for the season following the season of injury because of such injury and as a result his Club must have terminated his contract for the season following the season of injury. This pre-season physical may be given by the Club physician prior to the beginning of pre-season camp, so long as such fact is clearly communicated to the player at the time of the physical exam. The past understanding of the parties concerning a Club releasing a player who otherwise qualifies under (a) and (b) above prior to the pre-season physical examination will apply during the term of this Agreement (see Appendix B).
Section 2. Benefit: A player qualifying under Section 1 above will receive an amount equal to 50% of his contract salary for the season following the season of injury, up to a maximum payment of $275,000, if he is released pursuant to Section 1(c) above in the 2006-08 League Years unless he has individually negotiated more injury protection or a larger guaranteed salary into his contract. This amount shall be increased to $300,000 in the 2009 League Year and, if they are Uncapped Years, in the 2010-11 League Years; to $325,000 in the 2010-11 League Years, if they are Capped Years; and to $350,000 in the 2012 League Year. A player will receive no amount of any contract covering any season subsequent to the season following the season of injury, except if he has individually negotiated injury protection into that contract. The benefit will be paid to the player in equal weekly installments commencing no later than the date of the first regular season game, which benefit payments will cease if the player signs a contract for that season with another Club. A player will not be entitled to such benefit more than once during his playing career in the NFL, and such benefit shall be reduced by any salary guaranteed to the player for the season following the season of injury.

I don't know how you find anything in that document. I have looked numerous times and can never get at what I'm looking for.

[Patler]

Re: UPDATE

I don't know how you find anything in that document. I have looked numerous times and can never get at what I'm looking for.

Maybe you need a larger text version?
(btw-TYVM!)

[MJZiggy]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

[Tarlam!]

Arizona Cardinals Updated:06/15/2007
Kevin Barry might not be unemployed for long. Barry was released by the Green Bay Packers last Friday and is expected to meet with some teams over the next couple of weeks. According to the Racine Journal-Times, the Cardinals and Houston Texans are among the teams not only looking for veteran offensive linemen, but could use a guy like Barry, who fits into their power-run blocking schemes.

[Bretsky]

Arizona Cardinals Updated:06/15/2007
Kevin Barry might not be unemployed for long. Barry was released by the Green Bay Packers last Friday and is expected to meet with some teams over the next couple of weeks. According to the Racine Journal-Times, the Cardinals and Houston Texans are among the teams not only looking for veteran offensive linemen, but could use a guy like Barry, who fits into their power-run blocking schemes.

I hope he goes to the Texans and does well. He just didn't fit our scheme and it was good for GB to let him go.