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As I've stated here several times before, Favre is Favre. He makes throws he should'nt attempt and he does complete throws that no one else could. You take the good with the bad. Also if you really examine his picks, as the article I posted says, most came when trailing.
My point which the article backs up is that there are several things that were out of Favre's hands like the dropped passes and limiting his passing options. Therefore, it's my contention that judging Favre and blaming him for mistakes is the easy way out. Yes, of course sometimes Favre made the wrong decision like all QB's do. Yes he takes chances that he should'nt. But good Lord, that is Brett Favre! That same competitveness that makes him able to throw a laser in a small window, or play hurt when no one else would is also the same competitiveness that makes him try to make a play that he should'nt. You can't take that away from him and expect positive results.
Now as far as your comments about my blaming TT for everything. I'm sure you would not like it if I put words in your mouth so don't do it to me. I have never blamed Thompson for everything. I am on record here stating he has done some good things and made some positive moves. I'm just not a blind follower who takes Teddy's word that all is well. I was a blind follower for a long time-2 decades as a matter of fact in the 70's and 80's and I learned the hard way that following blindly ends in utter disappointment.
For what I hope is the last time I will state my position. I believe Teddy should have made a much more consertive effort to give Favre more weapons. I believe Teddy made a major blunder with Walker that set this team back. I believe Teddy could have made a few FA signings that would have given us a better shot this season and I've already stated for the record that Eric Johnson will have a great season with the Saints. That was the move Teddy blew and we'll see how Johnson does this season compared to our TE's. I'm on record BEFORE MM was hired when I voiced my preference for the Saint's HC. Since he was voted coach of the year, I'd say my opinion on that has been proven correct.
With all that said, I also Believe Teddy did a good job getting us in healthy cap space even if he does'nt use it. I believe he's done a good job of building some depth. He's making a good effort to get better talent in order to improve our pathetic special teams coverage. His FA signing of Woodson was brilliant. Exept for our first pick, I thought he did a good job with the draft this season, and I don't fault the Harrell pick as far as need goes, but rather his extensive injury history.
I am not a Thomspon basher as you have gone out of your way to insinuate, but neither am I blind to the mistakes I believe Teddy has made. I also am not just gonna sit back and watch the Thompson crowd shift the blame this season on #04 when virtually EVERY analyst and media person agree that at this point on paper, Favre does'nt have a whole lot to work with. Of course that can change. May-be the O line is stronger, may-be the new WR's will help. May-be Jennings takes the next step. May-be the running game improves. If these things happen, I'll be the first one to slap Teddy on the back and say I was wrong, but I can't help but wonder if we see the same offense from last season, how many Thompson followers will also step up and admit being wrong?
From what I've seen the excuses are already being planted by a few here. Either it's Favre needing to play smarter, or the schedule is to tough.
WOW! Talk about being overly sensitive and reading more into a few casual statements!
Where did I suggest that you are a Thompson basher? (However, derogatorily referring to him as "Teddy" might lead one to presume that you are.) I did write:
but after all your previous posts, and even the one quoted above seem to imply that Favre is to be absolved of responsibilty, unless his protection is great, his receivers drop few balls and the running game is strong. I would point out your "squarely on TT's shoulders" comment.
I'm sorry, "Favre will be Favre" is really not a suitable analysis. Unfortunately, he is no longer the quarterback he was. So in that regard "Favre can't be Favre", at least not the same one that he used to be.
The simple fact is he, just like all aging athletes, has to adapt his game to is declining performance abilities. He can no longer carry this team. That does not mean he cannot help it or be an important part of that, but there was a time when most would have agreed that a .500 record was almost guaranteed just because he was the QB. He is more dependent on those around him now than he was in the past, and his play should recognize that.
Yes, many of his interceptions came when they were behind. However, too many of them came on first or second down. Even if you are trailing, that is not necessarily the time to take a risk. You have other downs. I'm not going to go back and rehash it, I did that once before, so if you don't want to believe this don't. However, a lot of his interceptions came after the team had driven slowly to a couple first downs, and he seemed to become impatient. I can see calling a play to take a shot, but if its not there, why not make a more cautious decision and wait to play another down? Those are the times that I would like to see him be more cautious.
As I said, his risk-taking no longer yields the benefits it used to. He no longer makes the plays as frequently as he used to. Because of that, he needs to reduce the number of chances that he takes. Again, that's not a criticism of Favre, it's merely recognition of the fact that he is much older than he was at his best. He no longer makes plays as often as he did in the past, nor should he be expected to.
It's interesting because even the article you quoted clearly has MM suggesting that Favre has to make better decisions. That was the whole gist of the article. Did you overlook that in your zeal to point out the writer's comment about the frequency of max protection in the passing game?
Originally posted by Packnut
As I've stated here several times before, Favre is Favre. He makes throws he should'nt attempt and he does complete throws that no one else could. You take the good with the bad. Also if you really examine his picks, as the article I posted says, most came when trailing.
My point which the article backs up is that there are several things that were out of Favre's hands like the dropped passes and limiting his passing options. Therefore, it's my contention that judging Favre and blaming him for mistakes is the easy way out. Yes, of course sometimes Favre made the wrong decision like all QB's do. Yes he takes chances that he should'nt. But good Lord, that is Brett Favre! That same competitveness that makes him able to throw a laser in a small window, or play hurt when no one else would is also the same competitiveness that makes him try to make a play that he should'nt. You can't take that away from him and expect positive results.
Now as far as your comments about my blaming TT for everything. I'm sure you would not like it if I put words in your mouth so don't do it to me. I have never blamed Thompson for everything. I am on record here stating he has done some good things and made some positive moves. I'm just not a blind follower who takes Teddy's word that all is well. I was a blind follower for a long time-2 decades as a matter of fact in the 70's and 80's and I learned the hard way that following blindly ends in utter disappointment.
For what I hope is the last time I will state my position. I believe Teddy should have made a much more consertive effort to give Favre more weapons. I believe Teddy made a major blunder with Walker that set this team back. I believe Teddy could have made a few FA signings that would have given us a better shot this season and I've already stated for the record that Eric Johnson will have a great season with the Saints. That was the move Teddy blew and we'll see how Johnson does this season compared to our TE's. I'm on record BEFORE MM was hired when I voiced my preference for the Saint's HC. Since he was voted coach of the year, I'd say my opinion on that has been proven correct.
With all that said, I also Believe Teddy did a good job getting us in healthy cap space even if he does'nt use it. I believe he's done a good job of building some depth. He's making a good effort to get better talent in order to improve our pathetic special teams coverage. His FA signing of Woodson was brilliant. Exept for our first pick, I thought he did a good job with the draft this season, and I don't fault the Harrell pick as far as need goes, but rather his extensive injury history.
I am not a Thomspon basher as you have gone out of your way to insinuate, but neither am I blind to the mistakes I believe Teddy has made. I also am not just gonna sit back and watch the Thompson crowd shift the blame this season on #04 when virtually EVERY analyst and media person agree that at this point on paper, Favre does'nt have a whole lot to work with. Of course that can change. May-be the O line is stronger, may-be the new WR's will help. May-be Jennings takes the next step. May-be the running game improves. If these things happen, I'll be the first one to slap Teddy on the back and say I was wrong, but I can't help but wonder if we see the same offense from last season, how many Thompson followers will also step up and admit being wrong?
From what I've seen the excuses are already being planted by a few here. Either it's Favre needing to play smarter, or the schedule is to tough.
Where did I suggest that you are a Thompson basher? (However, derogatorily referring to him as "Teddy" might lead one to presume that you are.) I did write:
So Favre is to shoulder none of the blame? Its all TT?
Not the coaches?
not the players?
Not the future Hall of Famer?
I suppose even if Favre were to fall off the ledge and be absolutely horrible you could blame that on TT, because TT is responsible for not having replaced him on the roster.
Not the coaches?
not the players?
Not the future Hall of Famer?
I suppose even if Favre were to fall off the ledge and be absolutely horrible you could blame that on TT, because TT is responsible for not having replaced him on the roster.
I'm sorry, "Favre will be Favre" is really not a suitable analysis. Unfortunately, he is no longer the quarterback he was. So in that regard "Favre can't be Favre", at least not the same one that he used to be.
The simple fact is he, just like all aging athletes, has to adapt his game to is declining performance abilities. He can no longer carry this team. That does not mean he cannot help it or be an important part of that, but there was a time when most would have agreed that a .500 record was almost guaranteed just because he was the QB. He is more dependent on those around him now than he was in the past, and his play should recognize that.
Yes, many of his interceptions came when they were behind. However, too many of them came on first or second down. Even if you are trailing, that is not necessarily the time to take a risk. You have other downs. I'm not going to go back and rehash it, I did that once before, so if you don't want to believe this don't. However, a lot of his interceptions came after the team had driven slowly to a couple first downs, and he seemed to become impatient. I can see calling a play to take a shot, but if its not there, why not make a more cautious decision and wait to play another down? Those are the times that I would like to see him be more cautious.
As I said, his risk-taking no longer yields the benefits it used to. He no longer makes the plays as frequently as he used to. Because of that, he needs to reduce the number of chances that he takes. Again, that's not a criticism of Favre, it's merely recognition of the fact that he is much older than he was at his best. He no longer makes plays as often as he did in the past, nor should he be expected to.
It's interesting because even the article you quoted clearly has MM suggesting that Favre has to make better decisions. That was the whole gist of the article. Did you overlook that in your zeal to point out the writer's comment about the frequency of max protection in the passing game?
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