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  • #1

    Did Jones pull the plug on the Moss deal?

    I was listening to Milwaukee radio (OK, it was Mark Belling, or the Little Pisshead as my uncle called him) who reported a rumor that John Jones was the one who didn't want to trade for Moss. Apparently, TT was going to make the deal but Jones didn't want to front end Moss' contract.

    This does make some sense. Favre was all PO'ed about not getting Moss and wanted to be traded. McCarthy calmed him down and he did a 180 degree turnaround. He even came to mini-camp when he said he wasn't going to show because of his daughter's HS graduation which was the next week. Jones was then removed one week after mini-camp.

    Maybe it was Favre that got rid of Jones. Maybe TT wanted Moss after all.

    I realize this is only a rumor, but it would explain why TT gave big money to Charles Woodson last year but didn't do anything in FA this year. According to Belling, Jones has been making the financial decisions for quite some time.
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    I don't believe it at all. His position wouldn't make the final decisions on players, IMHO. Plus, Harlan still was the top dog. Why would Jones be allowed to trump him. If he didn't want him and had final say, why would he let Thompson try to work on a deal for months--only to nix it when it was about to happen?
    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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    • #3
      It's only a rumor, but it's not completely implausible. Maybe the "management issues" that concerned Harlan included a tendency by Jones to interfere with the GM. Harlan always believed that it was the job of the CEO to run the business, and the job of the GM to run the football team.
      I can't run no more
      With that lawless crowd
      While the killers in high places
      Say their prayers out loud
      But they've summoned, they've summoned up
      A thundercloud
      They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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      • #4
        Don't know about this one, Jer.

        Jones seems to have been a rude crude dude to deal with. The words "asshole" have floated out of the big office regarding Jones and his whole act.

        The contrast btw Jones manner and Bob Harlan's "Dutch Uncle" way of doing things seems to have been pretty great. When it got close, Harlan made the move. Sounds like he had to.

        If Jones did interfere at this level of activity, he would have to go.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KYPack
          Don't know about this one, Jer.

          Jones seems to have been a rude crude dude to deal with. The words "asshole" have floated out of the big office regarding Jones and his whole act.

          The contrast btw Jones manner and Bob Harlan's "Dutch Uncle" way of doing things seems to have been pretty great. When it got close, Harlan made the move. Sounds like he had to.

          If Jones did interfere at this level of activity, he would have to go.


          I agree here, not likely to fly under the radar.

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          • #6
            Belling is a blowhard who is trying awful hard to make a story where one does not exist. There is no way that Thompson would allow Jones to tell him what to do regarding the management of the player roster...especially when Jones wasn't even in a position of true authority over Thompson yet.

            The sacking of Jones has NOTHING to do with the Moss deal. That one is entirely on Thompson...and if the offense continues to struggle in the red zone, Thompson has no one other than himself to blame. He refused to go out and seriously pursue a free agent or draft a rookie WR/TE with the size/talent to make an impact as a sizeable target in the end zone.
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            • #7
              Ruvell Martin has size. Doesn't mean he's a good redzone target. Just because James Jones is 6'0" doesn't mean he can't get it done in the redzone. Actually, from what I hear, he's strong and good in traffic.
              "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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              • #8
                Originally posted by KYPack
                The contrast btw Jones manner and Bob Harlan's "Dutch Uncle" way of doing things seems to have been pretty great.
                I have a "Dutch Oven" approach.
                "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The Leaper
                  The sacking of Jones has NOTHING to do with the Moss deal. That one is entirely on Thompson.


                  Agreed - it's all on Ted. And he'll get the blame if Moss turns out to be a stud in NE. Or he'll get the credit if Moss continues to play like the early reports.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by KYPack
                    Don't know about this one, Jer.

                    Jones seems to have been a rude crude dude to deal with. The words "asshole" have floated out of the big office regarding Jones and his whole act.

                    The contrast btw Jones manner and Bob Harlan's "Dutch Uncle" way of doing things seems to have been pretty great. When it got close, Harlan made the move. Sounds like he had to.

                    If Jones did interfere at this level of activity, he would have to go.
                    This is the kind of inside stuff I can't get in Detroit. Thanks, KYPack.
                    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                    KYPack

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                      Actually, from what I hear, he's strong and good in traffic.
                      Great...and exactly what kind of traffic has he proved this against? The SEC? The Big 10? The Big 12?

                      I don't give a crap how much we hear about how "good" he is doing this or that. The bottom line is that the kid has had only one productive year to show us...and it was against some of the weakest pass defenses in college football. Meanwhile, we passed over trying to get a kid like Jarrett who has tremendous size AND has proven himself long term against the top talent in the NCAA.

                      Jones is a project. You'll see it for yourself when real bullets start flying...and our red zone efficiency once again is near the bottom of the league.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Leaper
                        Great...and exactly what kind of traffic has he proved this against? The SEC? The Big 10? The Big 12?

                        I don't give a crap how much we hear about how "good" he is doing this or that. The bottom line is that the kid has had only one productive year to show us...and it was against some of the weakest pass defenses in college football. Meanwhile, we passed over trying to get a kid like Jarrett who has tremendous size AND has proven himself long term against the top talent in the NCAA.
                        Well didn't the current #1 (DD) and #2 (Jennings) come from small schools? Sure doesn't seem to affect them.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MadtownPacker
                          Well didn't the current #1 (DD) and #2 (Jennings) come from small schools? Sure doesn't seem to affect them.
                          A) I'm not talking about long term...I do think Jones has the potential to be a very solid receiver down the road. I just don't think it is smart to count on him being too productive in the short term based on his level of experience at college.

                          B) Jennings and Driver were both guys who played numerous seasons of high level football in college. Sure, they were also small school guys...but they didn't just have one big year to fall back on. Jennings was a starter for THREE YEARS at WMU...and put up THREE 1000 yard seasons, which only a handful of WRs have done in Div I at any school. Driver started for TWO YEARS at ASU and was also a decorated track athlete.

                          I'm sorry...but Jones is NOT ready to step in from day one and contribute like Jennings did last year. He is a project who likely will take at least 2 full years to become a reliable starting caliber receiver in the NFL. He did basically nothing in his college career until this past season. Granted, he had a very good season in 2006...I'm not taking that away from him. However, the track record on guys with "one great year" isn't sterling...and even when they do pan out, they tend to take longer to adjust to the next level than guys who contributed for longer periods of time in college.

                          I like him going forward...he just does not address the need this team has for size and presence in the red zone. He can be as strong as an ox...his limited experience means he is going to have to LEARN how to use that strength to get open at the next level. He's more of a replacement for Driver 2-3 years down the line IMO.
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                          • #14
                            There could be some truth to this but we will never know, as secretive the organization is now. There has to be more to the fact that Jones was an asshole to work for. A lot of people have jerks for bosses and they don't get fired after a short stint. One thing is for sure and that is if TT and Jones didn't see eye to eye and had disagreements TT came out on top, while Jones was shown the door. Which means TT has more leverage in the Packers front office.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by LL2
                              There could be some truth to this but we will never know, as secretive the organization is now. There has to be more to the fact that Jones was an asshole to work for. A lot of people have jerks for bosses and they don't get fired after a short stint. One thing is for sure and that is if TT and Jones didn't see eye to eye and had disagreements TT came out on top, while Jones was shown the door. Which means TT has more leverage in the Packers front office.
                              I dunno, LL. I do think Jones ( the front ofc guy, not the rookie WR) was a butthead and had flat-out ruffled too many feathers to stick in such a high position. There is a huge "political" piece to do that gig, & Jonesy didn't have it.

                              The whole Packer organization is paranoid about getting an ass like Judge Parins in there and having him ruin the franchise with his crap.

                              I've heard a couple other "words" used in conjunction with Jones:

                              "Brusque"
                              &
                              "Prick"

                              There were internet rumors that there might be the old sexual harrasment stuff going on, but I think most of that proved unfounded.

                              I don't think he messed with the Moss deal, I think he just plain fucked up & got booted by Harlan to cut the teams losses.

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