Hey, Hey, Hey, Goodbye! Walker trade - rate it!

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Hey, Hey, Hey, Goodbye! Walker trade - rate it!

I say Good. Some value for a guy who we may have received only a 4th for comp next year.

This is not a situation where one can look at the draft value chart and say. . . well Javon was picked at #20 in the first and made a PRO Bowl, so we need 800 pts of value in return for a fair trade.

As it turned out. Javon Walker got to useless for us. That became a terrible situation that called for the BEST action plan to recover from.

TT traded him to Denver for an early second rounder - the 37th pick or that's worth 530 pts. and pick #139 - 36.5 pts or a total of 566.5 pts AND then . . . the action began.

TT made two more trade downs, and in fact we exchanged that #37 or 530 pts. for picks #47 (OT - Darren Colledge) ; #115 (CB/WR - Will Blackmon) ; #148 ( QB - Ingle Martin ) ; #183 ( DT - Johnny Jolly) and finally #185 ( S - Tyrone Cullver) or a draft value overall of about 560 pts. They did OK , once committed.

Tell me that didn't put a spin on the war rooms personnel's heads , engineering that feat, LOL .

Personally I feel it may have been more prudent to simply use the #37 and hold on of course, to the #139 pick and save all the jockeying for those three extra picks that were essentially the #148, #183 and #185 picks.

In fact - I would have chosen to retain both picks at #36 and #37. Quality at need over quantity and there were some excellent picks available in those slots.

What we experienced again is simply TT's style to trade down for extra picks. Again - I would have used both picks at #36 and #37 as loads of talent at need was there . . . for. . . OUR team . . . not New England or Atlanta !

I kind of like all trading down. I'm of the belief that after the top 10 picks it's really a crapshoot, so more picks give you a better chance. I don't know the exact percentages, but #36/#37 might have 35% success rate whiles picks #80 might have a 15% rate. However, five at 15% give you a better chance than two at 30%. I think the results have been better for GMs that like to acquire picks (Wolf, Thompson) over those that target guys and end up with a handful of picks (Sherman).

[woodbuck27]

Re: Hey, Hey, Hey, Goodbye! Walker trade - rate it!

I say Good. Some value for a guy who we may have received only a 4th for comp next year.

This is not a situation where one can look at the draft value chart and say. . . well Javon was picked at #20 in the first and made a PRO Bowl, so we need 800 pts of value in return for a fair trade.

As it turned out. Javon Walker got to useless for us. That became a terrible situation that called for the BEST action plan to recover from.

TT traded him to Denver for an early second rounder - the 37th pick or that's worth 530 pts. and pick #139 - 36.5 pts or a total of 566.5 pts AND then . . . the action began.

TT made two more trade downs, and in fact we exchanged that #37 or 530 pts. for picks #47 (OT - Darren Colledge) ; #115 (CB/WR - Will Blackmon) ; #148 ( QB - Ingle Martin ) ; #183 ( DT - Johnny Jolly) and finally #185 ( S - Tyrone Cullver) or a draft value overall of about 560 pts. They did OK , once committed.

Tell me that didn't put a spin on the war rooms personnel's heads , engineering that feat, LOL .

Personally I feel it may have been more prudent to simply use the #37 and hold on of course, to the #139 pick and save all the jockeying for those three extra picks that were essentially the #148, #183 and #185 picks.

In fact - I would have chosen to retain both picks at #36 and #37. Quality at need over quantity and there were some excellent picks available in those slots.

What we experienced again is simply TT's style to trade down for extra picks. Again - I would have used both picks at #36 and #37 as loads of talent at need was there . . . for. . . OUR team . . . not New England or Atlanta !

I kind of like all trading down. I'm of the belief that after the top 10 picks it's really a crapshoot, so more picks give you a better chance. I don't know the exact percentages, but #36/#37 might have 35% success rate whiles picks #80 might have a 15% rate. However, five at 15% give you a better chance than two at 30%. I think the results have been better for GMs that like to acquire picks (Wolf, Thompson) over those that target guys and end up with a handful of picks (Sherman).

Yea Harvey it's really all pretty much calculated risk after you get out of the first round and 'the more to feast on' may indeed rule.

By now you should know I'm impatient with 4-12's and I believe to win you need playmakers or near/future Pro Bowlers. I believe you have a better opportunity of landing that sort of talent at pick numbers 36 or 37 than at pick #115,#148,#183 and #185.

[woodbuck27]

I just went on the Bronco's official site. They have a forum there as well and was reading comments on Walker. They are very excited about getting him, but skeptical of the deal he was given. Apparently he is about to sign a 6 year deal with a $10 million signing bonus. I don't know any other details than that.

We'll see how he does without having a 3time MVP throwing to him...

This response is late but for what it may be worth:

Wednesday, May 10, 2006

Javon Walker signs contract extension

In his press conference Wednesday, former Green Bay Packers wide receiver Javon Walker discussed his relationship with Brett Favre and the Packers organization, shortly after announcing that he had come to terms with his new team, the Denver Broncos, on a 4 year extension worth approximately 17 million.

When asked to comment on his relationship with former teammate Brett Favre, Javon replied "The first year, it just kind of settled in. Knowing that I wasn't going to say anything, and I probably wouldn't have, but then after being injured, I took a lot of things into consideration. I'm the one that's rehabbing, I'm the one that's going through what I'm going through trying to be able to play football again. If I was going to do that, why not play football being happy? Why go back out there and take all those hits again and really not want to take those hits."

His distaste for Favre is not surprising. In a lengthy contract holdout prior to the 2005 NFL season, the always media shy Brett Favre decided to call Javon out, in hopes of getting him to return to camp, rather than wait to "get paid." During the Green Bay Packers first regular season game of the 2005 season, Javon Walker was injured (pictured above), putting both his football career and his bank account in serious jeopardy. After an extensive rehabilitation over the past year, Javon was traded to the Denver Broncos during the 2006 NFL draft.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Hey, Hey, Hey, Goodbye! Walker trade - rate it!

By now you should know I'm impatient with 4-12's and I believe to win you need playmakers or near/future Pro Bowlers. I believe you have a better opportunity of landing that sort of talent at pick numbers 36 or 37 than at pick #115,#148,#183 and #185.

But they got more than that for picks 36 and 37, right? Thompson turned #36 & #37 into something like #47, #52, #75, #115, #148, #183, and #185.

[Fosco33]

Re: Hey, Hey, Hey, Goodbye! Walker trade - rate it!

By now you should know I'm impatient with 4-12's and I believe to win you need playmakers or near/future Pro Bowlers. I believe you have a better opportunity of landing that sort of talent at pick numbers 36 or 37 than at pick #115,#148,#183 and #185.

But they got more than that for picks 36 and 37, right? Thompson turned #36 & #37 into something like #47, #52, #75, #115, #148, #183, and #185.

Not that I want to see Chad Jackson fail - but I feel with either 36 or 37 he's a great pickup - especially with our WR core. It felt like passing on Evans or Chambers. We did need more picks to fill wholes but CJ would've looked great in G&G.

[Bretsky]

Chad Jackson and Jimmy Williams; two players many teams had First Round Grades on. I hope neither excels too well. When GB traded out of each spot my gut told me they were the two guys left that would be steals at 36 and 37. Truth be told, I'd have taken them both.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Truth be told, Jimmy Williams has severe character issues, and I'm not one bit unhappy we passed on him. Even if he works out for another team, he might not have worked out in Green Bay.

Chad Jackson vs. Greg Jennings will be interesting. Maybe both guys will be successful.

BTW, you Badger fans always feel the same way when the Packers pass on a Badger receiver (any Badger, for that matter). I bet you felt the same way with Brandon Williams and Jonathan Orr. Chambers just happened to be the recent one that made it. The rest haven't done all that much, have they? You're bound to hit on a couple of them.

[Partial]

I think Jennings is gonna surprise. Granted I know absolutely nothing about that at all, but the homer inside of me is thinking he's gonna be a good player!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Re: Hey, Hey, Hey, Goodbye! Walker trade - rate it!

Not that I want to see Chad Jackson fail - but I feel with either 36 or 37 he's a great pickup - especially with our WR core. It felt like passing on Evans or Chambers. We did need more picks to fill wholes but CJ would've looked great in G&G.

I think a lot people shared this thought on draft day. I'm glad we got all those picks, but if Jackson is a stud, then trading down was not worth it.

Odds are it will work out ok, Jennings looks good.

[Harlan Huckleby]

BTW, you Badger fans always feel the same way when the Packers pass on a Badger receiver (any Badger, for that matter). I bet you felt the same way with Brandon Williams and Jonathan Orr.

I'm not that high on either BRandon Williams or Jonathan Orr as pros. B.W. will certainly find some sort of job, but I don't feel confident about him the way I did about Lee Evans, Chambers, or Calhoun. And J.O. is a stiffy.

[RashanGary]

I think Jennings is going to be a player too.

In 2 days of OTA's in which I watched him quite extensively, I didn't see him drop one pass or punt. He also has good timed speed, has a good vertical jump, is just big enough to be in the range of effective NFL WR's and according to those that know is the most polished route runner in this draft class....

I think he'll be a very good Packer.

[Bretsky]

Truth be told, Jimmy Williams has severe character issues, and I'm not one bit unhappy we passed on him. Even if he works out for another team, he might not have worked out in Green Bay.

Chad Jackson vs. Greg Jennings will be interesting. Maybe both guys will be successful.

BTW, you Badger fans always feel the same way when the Packers pass on a Badger receiver (any Badger, for that matter). I bet you felt the same way with Brandon Williams and Jonathan Orr. Chambers just happened to be the recent one that made it. The rest haven't done all that much, have they? You're bound to hit on a couple of them.

AL TOON

CHRIS CHAMBERS

LEE EVANS

All look fine to me in the NFL.

And I'd bet you are wrong.

As for Brandon Williams and Jonathon Orr, you can look back at every one of my posts after the draft and you didn't see me whining about Green Bay passing up on either of them. Sure I thought Williams would help Green Bay and wanted him............and IF Brandon Williams had been there in round 4 and they selected Rodgers over him, yes that would have been stupid. Orr is nothing but a project and there are plenty of them.

Badger Hater


Cheers,
Bretsky

[Fosco33]

Truth be told, Jimmy Williams has severe character issues, and I'm not one bit unhappy we passed on him. Even if he works out for another team, he might not have worked out in Green Bay.

Chad Jackson vs. Greg Jennings will be interesting. Maybe both guys will be successful.

BTW, you Badger fans always feel the same way when the Packers pass on a Badger receiver (any Badger, for that matter). I bet you felt the same way with Brandon Williams and Jonathan Orr. Chambers just happened to be the recent one that made it. The rest haven't done all that much, have they? You're bound to hit on a couple of them.

AL TOON

CHRIS CHAMBERS

LEE EVANS

All look fine to me in the NFL.

And I'd bet you are wrong.

As for Brandon Williams and Jonathon Orr, you can look back at every one of my posts after the draft and you didn't see me whining about Green Bay passing up on either of them. Sure I thought Williams would help Green Bay and wanted him............and IF Brandon Williams had been there in round 4 and they selected Rodgers over him, yes that would have been stupid. Orr is nothing but a project and there are plenty of them.

Badger Hater


Cheers,
Bretsky

Gonzo, "You took too much, much too much..." Raul Duke, "Eeeehhhhhhh."

I'm with you, Bretsky. I think Calhoun - on the right team and used correctly - will be better than expected. I think Williams will be a better pro than Orr. I would've loved to grab Jackson.

Harv - the only reason I like some of those guys is b/c they have decent potential - Badgers or not. You think Driver, Jackson, Gardner, Williams is worse set than Driver, Jennings, Fergie and Gardner. I love Badger coolaid.

[HarveyWallbangers]

AL TOON

CHRIS CHAMBERS

LEE EVANS

All look fine to me in the NFL.

And I'd bet you are wrong.

As for Brandon Williams and Jonathon Orr, you can look back at every one of my posts after the draft and you didn't see me whining about Green Bay passing up on either of them. Sure I thought Williams would help Green Bay and wanted him............and IF Brandon Williams had been there in round 4 and they selected Rodgers over him, yes that would have been stupid. Orr is nothing but a project and there are plenty of them.

Badger Hater

Cheers,
Bretsky

Okay, now tell me about the Badgers that you wanted the Packers to take, but that didn't work out. Ron Dayne? Sucks. Michael Bennett? Huge disappointment. Nick Greisen? Below average starter. Erasmus James? Disappointing rookie year. What about some of those corners they have had? What about Don Davey and Bill Ferrario? I want to hear about these Badgers.

[Bretsky]

AL TOON

CHRIS CHAMBERS

LEE EVANS

All look fine to me in the NFL.

And I'd bet you are wrong.

As for Brandon Williams and Jonathon Orr, you can look back at every one of my posts after the draft and you didn't see me whining about Green Bay passing up on either of them. Sure I thought Williams would help Green Bay and wanted him............and IF Brandon Williams had been there in round 4 and they selected Rodgers over him, yes that would have been stupid. Orr is nothing but a project and there are plenty of them.

Badger Hater

Cheers,
Bretsky

Okay, now tell me about the Badgers that you wanted the Packers to take, but that didn't work out. Ron Dayne? Sucks. Michael Bennett? Huge disappointment. Nick Greisen? Below average starter. Erasmus James? Disappointing rookie year. What about some of those corners they have had? What about Don Davey and Bill Ferrario? I want to hear about these Badgers.

I never thought the Packers should draft Ron Dayne....bad fit

I did like Michael Bennett so you can throw a dart at me for him

Griesen is what he is; a 4th round draft pick and it's too early to call him below average unless you are a Badger hater.

Bill Ferrario.....to that I say Mark Tauscher, Paul Gruber, and Dan Buenning
Basically you are nitpicking Badgers at the wrong position

Erasmus James- Came on more late last year. Only a Badger hater would bash him but I'm sure you'll keep up the good fight

Badger CB's ? Jamar Fletcher and Troy Vincent


IF YOU WANT A LISTING OF BADGERS I FELT GREEN BAY SCREWED UP BY NOT TAKING BY PASSING THEM UP TO SELECT OTHERS, HERE THEY ARE:

1. Al Toon......................selected Ken Ruettgers
2. Troy Vincent...............selected Terrell Buckley
3. Chris Chambers..........selected the Fraud
4. A Hawthorne .............everybody passed on him cuz he's a stoner
5. Jim Leonard..............selcted Kurt Campbell

Now I've wished Green Bay would take many Badgers before the draft, but Badger fans carry the unique composure and intelligence to realize you still cannot reach and select a Badger much higher than they should go...........such as......Calhoun high in round two. We still have the ability to realize you must grade them fairly, as opposed to GB past who undervalued most of their top players.

Cheers,
B