Vernand Morency is hungry for carries

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The kid is gonna be a baller. He looks to have the same thickness as Green this year and he is much quicker.

I don't believe you need to be a bruiser to be successful. I predict he has a big time year. Maybe even pro-bowl.

Nowhere near as strong as Green.

Doesn't break tackles or run people over

IMO he's an injury waiting to happen

I hope I'm wrong

Green was stronger than Barry Sanders, Clinton Portis, LT, Tiki Barber, etc. I don't think anyone would complain about their performance and their lack of strength.

You're correct that he doesn't run over people. He jukes them out of their jock. Look at his tape of his explosive runs. He hits the hole just as hard as Green and instead of running into people, he cuts and makes them miss.

I would say since Ahman Green has played 66% of the games over the several seasons, he is no more of an injury liability.

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Body type, running style... Look at Jones-Drew - small guy, very tough, very strong.

Morency isn't that type of back... I know you guys want Morency to be the answer, and maybe he will be, but he's a small runner. That's just his running style.

Jones-Drew does NOT run over people. Are you smoking crack? He is quick as a cat and jukes people out of their jock. I am a big Jags fan and have downloaded many of their games. He game is get low, find a hole, cut to the outside, stiff arm for extra yards.

[wist43]

Don't know what you're looking at... Jones-Drew is a little tank. Very tough runner - going to take more than an arm tackle to bring him down.

[Tarlam!]

Fact is, Jones-Drew has already made an impact and he has lots of admirers. If we had JD, not many people would be asking so many questions about our backs.

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Don't know what you're looking at... Jones-Drew is a little tank. Very tough runner - going to take more than an arm tackle to bring him down.

He's tough but he doesn't run anyone over at 5'7" 210(there is no way he is bigger than 180 lbs).

He has good thickness, about the same as morency and is definitely a cutting back. He is as quick as a cat.

[wist43]

Don't know what you're looking at... Jones-Drew is a little tank. Very tough runner - going to take more than an arm tackle to bring him down.

He's tough but he doesn't run anyone over at 5'7" 210(there is no way he is bigger than 180 lbs).

He has good thickness, about the same as morency and is definitely a cutting back. He is as quick as a cat.

Are you sure you're looking at the right guy (rhetorical - I know you know)??? Jones-Drew is definitely over 200 lbs... He's a very stout dude.

I don't know if you can go back and look at some tape from last year, but he's definitely not a Warrick Dunn clone. Jones-Drew has very thick thighs, and a thick trunk... like I said, he's very stout guy.

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Don't know what you're looking at... Jones-Drew is a little tank. Very tough runner - going to take more than an arm tackle to bring him down.

He's tough but he doesn't run anyone over at 5'7" 210(there is no way he is bigger than 180 lbs).

He has good thickness, about the same as morency and is definitely a cutting back. He is as quick as a cat.

Are you sure you're looking at the right guy (rhetorical - I know you know)??? Jones-Drew is definitely over 200 lbs... He's a very stout dude.

I don't know if you can go back and look at some tape from last year, but he's definitely not a Warrick Dunn clone. Jones-Drew has very thick thighs, and a thick trunk... like I said, he's very stout guy.

He's about a thick as morency. Morency is much thicker than you give him credit for. As a matter of fact, I would think they are about the same overall size. Morency weighed in at 220 and I don't believe he's a lick about 190-195. These guys weights are both being fudged.

[RashanGary]

I agree that JOnes Drew plays a little tougher than Morency, but it's not much.

[wist43]

Not sure what games you guys watched that led you to believe that Jones-Drew plays small...

I watched 3-4 Jax games last year, and Jones-Drew ran like a tank... I don't know how else to put it. DB's just bounced off him, LB's had all they could handle in trying to get him down, he ran it up inside very tough.

I have no reason to argue that Jones-Drew is something more than he really is... it's just what I saw from him last year.

[HarveyWallbangers]

MJD is a physical little runner. I'm not throwing him in there. You've just sidetracked from wist's assumption that Morency can only be a third down or situational back because of his size--when there are plenty of similar sized RBs currently and historically that were good full-time RBs.

[Bretsky]

Body type, running style... Look at Jones-Drew - small guy, very tough, very strong.

Morency isn't that type of back... I know you guys want Morency to be the answer, and maybe he will be, but he's a small runner. That's just his running style.

Jones-Drew does NOT run over people. Are you smoking crack? He is quick as a cat and jukes people out of their jock. I am a big Jags fan and have downloaded many of their games. He game is get low, find a hole, cut to the outside, stiff arm for extra yards.

Jones Drew runs through a lot of people

[Bretsky]

Nowhere near as strong as Green.

Doesn't break tackles or run people over

IMO he's an injury waiting to happen

I hope I'm wrong

Why would a guy who doesn't look to run over people be injury prone? Wouldn't that make him less likely to get injured. Guys like Da Poop and Ahman would be more likely to get injured--since the look to run over people. Most RBs are going to be smaller than the DL and LB trying to tackle them, so I would think the shiftier guys would be less injury prone (I'm thinking of guys like Emmitt Smith, Curtis Martin, Edgerrin James, etc.).

I was making simple IMO points and did not mean to link his not running people over to being injury prone.

Wasn't he hurt last year ? I'm just not convinced the guy can carry the load, and I certainly don't think he has outstanding juke moves that will save him from some big hits.

Maybe I keep having flashbacks to the Rams game I attended; Morency looked horrid and Noah OK Herron came in and looked like the second coming of Jim Brown.

[wist43]

I'm not making an "assumption" that Morency can't be an every down back b/c of his size. Were he a tough and durable runner, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with his size - although my preference would be for a bigger back.

My overall point wrt Morency is, regardless of his listed size or his actual size, he plays small. He does not lower his shoulder and deliver blows, he does not move the pile, and he does not hit it hard up inside. He'll hit the backside hard and decisively, but he's not an effective inside runner.

I do desent from Bretsky on his contention that Morency doesn't have the feet to avoid... on the contrary, I think he has very good feet, and I think he is an effective change of pace back; but, Bretsky and I are in agreement with the larger point, i.e. Morency isn't an every down back.

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And you and Bretsky will together eat your words. Or I will take it like a champion and let you all harrass me and hang me out to dry

[HarveyWallbangers]

Maybe I keep having flashbacks to the Rams game I attended; Morency looked horrid and Noah OK Herron came in and looked like the second coming of Jim Brown.

You and I sat together for the Cards at Green Bay, and he was stellar.