TED THOMPSON- BREAKING THE TRADING BANDIT DOWN MORE

[MJZiggy]

This is the most happy and relaxed I've seen TT in months.

http://www.packers.com/pg/?gallery=2006-04-29d&id=5

(can't get it to post, so here's the link.)

[Scott Campbell]

Ted was all about abusing the Sherm clone GM's yesterday. He prowled around looking for teams that fell in love with the next BJ Sander, and then helped them land their man - for a modest fee.

[Patler]

There are 32 NFL teams with rosters of 53 players. That's 1696 NFL players. Even if you presume a 10 year career for "good" or "solid" players, which is generous, that's an average of 170 coming out of each draft class. In reality, the number of first through fourth year players is extremely high, and the number of players with 5+ years is much lower.

My point is simply this, with decent scouting it should be relatively routine to be able to find players on the second day of the draft who will help your team, at least for a while. By trading down and having more picks, you can make a mistake or two, have a player's career end due to injury and still be OK. With only 6 or 7 picks, you can't afford a mistake, or get through an injury, without having to scrape the bottom of the barrel for a replacement.

In two of his drafts, 2002 & 2004, Sherman had only 6 picks, and each year 1 was free agent compensation. He had only five of his own regular picks. Donnell Washington, BJ Sander. Corey Williams, and the trade for Terry Glenn each cost two draft picks. He got nothing for Glenn from Dallas. Thats 8 draft picks invested in a DT who is part of the rotation, a third year DT who has yet to play, a receiver who catches passes for the Cowboys, and a soon to be ex-punter.

In 2003 he had 9 picks, but 4 were free agent compensation, again he had only 5 of his regular 7 picks. Kenny Peterson, James Lee and Hunter Hillenmeyer each cost two pick, He traded one for Harris (good move). For seven picks he got a good cornerback, a lineman who plays on occassion and a linebacker who makes tackles for the Bears.

With 15 draft picks he had Sander, Williams, Washington, Peterson and Harris to show for it. With so few draft picks, Sherman could not afford any draft mistakes, and he made numerous.

Draft picks are indeed valuable.

[Bretsky]

There are 32 NFL teams with rosters of 53 players. That's 1696 NFL players. Even if you presume a 10 year career for "good" or "solid" players, which is generous, that's an average of 170 coming out of each draft class. In reality, the number of first through fourth year players is extremely high, and the number of players with 5+ years is much lower.

My point is simply this, with decent scouting it should be relatively routine to be able to find players on the second day of the draft who will help your team, at least for a while. By trading down and having more picks, you can make a mistake or two, have a player's career end due to injury and still be OK. With only 6 or 7 picks, you can't afford a mistake, or get through an injury, without having to scrape the bottom of the barrel for a replacement.


In two of his drafts, 2002 & 2004, Sherman had only 6 picks, and each year 1 was free agent compensation. He had only five of his own regular picks. Donnell Washington, BJ Sander. Corey Williams, and the trade for Terry Glenn each cost two draft picks. He got nothing for Glenn from Dallas. Thats 8 draft picks invested in a DT who is part of the rotation, a third year DT who has yet to play, a receiver who catches passes for the Cowboys, and a soon to be ex-punter.

In 2003 he had 9 picks, but 4 were free agent compensation, again he had only 5 of his regular 7 picks. Kenny Peterson, James Lee and Hunter Hillenmeyer each cost two pick, He traded one for Harris (good move). For seven picks he got a good cornerback, a lineman who plays on occassion and a linebacker who makes tackles for the Bears.

With 15 draft picks he had Sander, Williams, Washington, Peterson and Harris to show for it. With so few draft picks, Sherman could not afford any draft mistakes, and he made numerous.

Draft picks are indeed valuable.

GREAT POST; LET'S MAKE SURE THE MIGHTY TANK SEES THIS ONE AS WELL

[Patler]

Jennings may not have ideal size, but scouting reports show two things making him valuable as a traditional WC offense type receiver:

1. He runs precise routes, getting initial separation from the DB coming out of his move.
2. He gets yardage after the catch.

Now I am in no way saying he will be as good, but those are the attributes Sterling Sharpe had. Sharpe was not tall, and did not have blazing speed. He was very solid and very strong, I'm sure more so than Jennings. But a shorter receiver who gets open and gets yardage after the catch can fit well in a traditional WC offense.

[Guiness]

He dropped down 8 spots for 3 picks.....I don't mind that...

But as pointed out, the chart doesn't really apply here. The general concensus is that the draft was 40 some odd players deep, then the talent level dropped off. So what he really did was drop below the threshold of perceived NFL talent.

Not saying I agree with that analysis, just pointing it out...

[Partial]

Lets go ahead and remember that Steve Smith was taken in the 3rd round(so was TO) and that he was initially drafted as a returner and was often knocked for his lack of size and ability.

Steve smith turned out pretty ok.


I think this guy will be fine. He's a student of the game

[Packers4Ever]

Re: TED THOMPSON- BREAKING THE TRADING BANDIT DOWN MORE

THE JAVON WALKER TRADE ENDED UP BEING

Walker and a 5th (139) for Colledge (47), a 4th (109), and a 6th (183)


Beyond that trade, he traded down 16 spots from 36 for #52 and 75.

He passed on some first round talent to land Greg Jennings (52) and Jason Spitz (75)

YOU CHOOSE; WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE CHAD JACKSON OR THOSE TWO ?


He also traded down from 93 to 109 and 183...





Last year TT was rolling extra picks like crazy; call me harsh for saying this, but so far one out of 11 picks have worked out. Hope the odds are a heck of a lot better this year.

Bretsky, I've had this feeling for the past couple weeks that the tide is turning in TT's favor - capped off by this weekend's booty! Much less bad-mouthing. Of course I haven't been over to JSO today yet.

William Henderson is on ESPN again this noon, talking about the Pack and doing one heck of a job. That man has a future after GB....
Judy

[Bretsky]

ADVANTAGE BRONCOS

Denver gets Javon Walker for #37

Green Bay trades:
2nd rd (37th pick), and 5th rd (139th pick)
to Atlanta for:
2nd rd (47th pick), 3rd rd (93rd), and 5th rd (148th pick)

Green Bay trades:
3rd rd (93rd pick) to St Louis for 4th (109) and 6th (183)

Green Bay trades:
4th rd (109th pick) to Phily for 4th (115) and 6th (185th)

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So, in total TT parlayed Walker into a 2nd, 4th, and two 6th round picks... 5th rounders were eliminated because we just swapped picks.

The ultimate take:
Rd Pick Player Position
2 47 Daryn Colledge OG
4 115 Will Blackmon CB
6 183 Johnny Jolly DT
6 185 Tyrone Culver FS

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It will be a while before we have a handle on these guys, but the main guy in the deal is Colledge. From there TT's plan seems to have been to hide behind a smoke screen of players, in the hopes that one or two of them will turn out to be half way decent.

So for one of the top 10 WR's in the NFL, the Packers received an OG with potential and some projects we all hope turn into something.

Time will tell on this deal, but early prognosis is Advantage Denver.

[MJZiggy]

If anyone finds footage of Hendo going off, I'd love to see it.

[Rastak]

If anyone finds footage of Hendo going off, I'd love to see it.

I saw the entire thing, he didn't "go off". He stated that Kiper rated him as a bust and he proved him wrong then he defended Favre when asked if he (Favre) was selfish. He also stated that Favres picks were the result of tipped balls and such....that was sort of lame but the rest of it was just him defending Favre from negative comments buy a couple of folks....

[MJZiggy]

Still, he's one of my all-time favorite players right in there with Butler and Bennett et al and I have been utterly and deeply disappointed in ESPNothing's so-called reporting this offseason and to see Hendo defending his team would be too sweet.

[Patler]

Re: ADVANTAGE BRONCOS

Denver gets Javon Walker for #37

Green Bay trades:
2nd rd (37th pick), and 5th rd (139th pick)
to Atlanta for:
2nd rd (47th pick), 3rd rd (93rd), and 5th rd (148th pick)

Green Bay trades:
3rd rd (93rd pick) to St Louis for 4th (109) and 6th (183)

Green Bay trades:
4th rd (109th pick) to Phily for 4th (115) and 6th (185th)

------------------------

So, in total TT parlayed Walker into a 2nd, 4th, and two 6th round picks... 5th rounders were eliminated because we just swapped picks.

The ultimate take:
Rd Pick Player Position
2 47 Daryn Colledge OG
4 115 Will Blackmon CB
6 183 Johnny Jolly DT
6 185 Tyrone Culver FS

--------------------------

It will be a while before we have a handle on these guys, but the main guy in the deal is Colledge. From there TT's plan seems to have been to hide behind a smoke screen of players, in the hopes that one or two of them will turn out to be half way decent.

So for one of the top 10 WR's in the NFL, the Packers received an OG with potential and some projects we all hope turn into something.

Time will tell on this deal, but early prognosis is Advantage Denver.

The alternative was to get absolutely nothing for him next off season when he became a free agent. TT did not get what Walker was worth, but at least he got something.

[Patler]

Interesting Bretsky, almost the same identical post on another site. Who should be crediting whom?????

[Patler]

...and now its on here too.